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Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by jayalpha »

ldng wrote: post #853
SXX wrote: post #811

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> For anyone with enough resources and time I'd encourage collecting citizenships like they were Pokemon. Care to elaborate? What kind of benefits one could get out of it? There's tons of information on topic from biased sources like law firms, but very little otherwise.

Except in most countries you can't have more than 2 or 3 official nationalities

Wrong.

In many countries you can't have two. But as long as "dual citizenship" is recognized, there is no upper limit.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by Synaesthesia »

throw1Away2378 wrote: post #684

What would someone that lives in London and believes that what it's happening to Assange is criminal and would like to help somehow or help it not happening with the next 'Assange' or 'Snowden' do? I have tried to reach out to Sarah Harrison in the past but got nowhere, I'm not an activist or know anyone, just a normal bloke that would like to get involved. What would be my options? Volunteer at Amnesty International…

Amnesty International is a fine but frankly quite conservative organization. Getting involved in political activity. Read Noam Chomsky. Do what you can to make the world a better place and make people aware of the truth.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by r_smart »

firethief wrote: post #823
CryptoPunk wrote: post #794

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Do you really need to put "neoliberal" in front of oligarch? It imparts on them a commitment to principles that they don't uphold. This is a government that undermines core liberal values like private property rights and privacy rights, with a multitude of financial regulations, surveillance state anti-money-laundering laws, and prohibitions on unrestricted use of encrypted communication.

But we have to know which team they're on!!

As I understand the term 'neo-liberal' it's kind of a hybrid ideology that strides the two US political parties. Mitt Romney and Hillary Clinton are both neo-liberals, though ostensibly, opposed to each other. It's basically the worst of the political philosophies espoused by the two parties. Basically it means more authoritarian control and the prosecution of wars all over the planet for the sake of establishing a new world order.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by boomboomsubban »

foldr wrote: post #527
throwawaylolx wrote: post #500

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Yeah, moments before the arrest, many people in this thread were accusing him of paranoia/manipulative intents: >He claimed that his reason to do so was to avoid extradition to the US, but Sweden wasn't allowed to extradite him without UK's permission first [0]. He could've gone to Sweden and face the charges, and avoided this whole thing. But he had to make himself look like a victim of a conspiracy instead, and his…

Hmm? This just goes to show that the USA didn't need to manufacture rape allegations in Sweden just in order to get Assange extradited, since their best chance of doing so was to extradite him from the UK.

Without the rape allegations, what crime would have led to the UK arresting Assange, enabling him to be extradited? Even with the allegations, the process of extraditing him to Sweden took ages.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by cwkoss »

_iyig wrote: post #172

In the Afghan War Documents leak, Julian Assange refused to redact the names of Afghans who informed on the Taliban. He referred to them as “spies and traitors” in comments to the media. A reporter for the Guardian claims he said, “Well, they're informants. So, if they get killed, they've got it coming to them. They deserve it.” Nasty way to diss on fellow leakers, in my opinion. I wonder if Mr. Assange feels he hims…

The Guardian journalist may have fabricated that quote.

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Post by DanBC »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #934
foldr wrote: post #527

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Hmm? This just goes to show that the USA didn't need to manufacture rape allegations in Sweden just in order to get Assange extradited, since their best chance of doing so was to extradite him from the UK.

Without the rape allegations, what crime would have led to the UK arresting Assange, enabling him to be extradited? Even with the allegations, the process of extraditing him to Sweden took ages.

The computer misuse crimes which the US is currently using to try to have him extradited on?

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by DanBC »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #396
_iyig wrote: post #172

In the Afghan War Documents leak, Julian Assange refused to redact the names of Afghans who informed on the Taliban. He referred to them as “spies and traitors” in comments to the media. A reporter for the Guardian claims he said, “Well, they're informants. So, if they get killed, they've got it coming to them. They deserve it.” Nasty way to diss on fellow leakers, in my opinion. I wonder if Mr. Assange feels he hims…

From your link: Guardian journalist, David Leigh, claimed that Julian Assange initially refused to redact the names of informants.[62] In his book, co-authored with Luke Harding, WikiLeaks: Inside Julian Assange's War on Secrecy, Leigh claimed Assange to have said in relation to whether the names should be redacted, "Well, they're informants. So, if they get killed, they've got it coming to them. They deserve it."[63…

In 2011 the UK still had our old defamation laws - they were changed in 2013. So it would have been really easy for him to both sue and win a defamation case. The Guardian would have had to prove, on the balance of probabilities, that he had said those things.

Why didn't he bring that case?

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Post by gcbw2 »

SEJeff wrote: post #857
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There is a sealed indictment against him in EDVA which was accidentally released. He has been most certainly accused of breaking United States laws. Edit: To indict someone, the government has to show the grand jury that there is sufficient evidence. It is very easy to indict someone (hence the phrase “A ham sandwich can be indicted by the grand jury”) but one has to acknowledge the fact that the federal government h…

Unsealed: https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/pr/wikileaks-founder-charg...

So they pushed manning to get her arrested again and breach her immunity so that they could get to assange. Clever.

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Post by dragonwriter »

Synaesthesia wrote: post #928
cparsons3000 wrote: post #833

Looks like Assange was attempting to destabilize Ecuador's govt while in the embassy (at least that's what they claim). “Ecuador’s Interior Minister María Paula Romo says Julian Assange's asylum was revoked because there was sufficient evidence that he was meddling in Ecuador's internal affairs in an effort to destabilize the government. Romo also reiterated President Lenin Moreno's remarks that Assange was consisten…

The supposed meddling in the internal affairs of a government is these INA papers which are embarrassing for Ecuador’s govt. But there’s no evidence that he or Wikileaks have anything to do with these INA leaks. https://defend.wikileaks.org/2019/04/03/ecuador-twists-embar...

> The supposed meddling in the internal affairs of a government is these INA papers which are embarrassing for Ecuador’s govt.

No, it's not. The INA leaks, AFAICT, are part of (but not the whole of) the basis separate accusation that Assange and his supporters have been attempting to destabilize Ecuador.

The biggest deal with regard to foreign governments was actually over his intervention, which had public aspects, over Catalonia.

It also, most critically because it targeted the embassy's host country, included overt interventions in British politics, including his accusations that the British government fabricated the link to Russia in the Skripal poisoning.

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Post by belltaco »

gcb0 wrote: post #773
panarky wrote: post #746

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The actual indictment: https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/press-release/file/1153481... Snowden: The weakness of the US charge against Assange is shocking. The allegation he tried (and failed?) to help crack a password during their world-famous reporting has been public for nearly a decade: it is the count Obama's DOJ refused to charge, saying it endangered journalism. https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/11163365508733…

Interesting, as the current narrative (on thehill.com, a left-center bias news source no less) is that this is all caused by fears from the Obama administration personnel: https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/394036-How-Comey-int... Though it is also the narrative on russia propaganda sites https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201806271065837436-comey-as...

>Interesting, as the current narrative (on thehill.com, a left-center bias news source no less) is that this is all caused by fears from the Obama administration personnel

The author isn't left-center biased. It's the opposite.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Solomon

>John F. Solomon is an American media executive and columnist. He is currently vice president of digital video and an opinion contributor for The Hill.[1] He is known primarily for his tenure as an executive and editor-in-chief at The Washington Times.[2] He has been accused of biased reporting in favor of conservatives, and of repeatedly manufacturing faux scandals

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