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Re: YouTube is trying to reward “quality” content

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Post by krapp »

manfredo wrote: post #78
krapp wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youtube was always manipulating the platform for arbitrary purposes (and sometimes the content, for copyright purposes.) Users have never been in control of anything. see: the Youtube "Adpocalypse" and the various other changes to their algorithm that destroyed the profitability of entire genres of content (such as animation.)

Enforcement of copyright is following the law not manipulation. I'm sure their automated takedowns aren't perfect, but that's due to technical limitations. This rewarding if "quality" content is straight up picking winners and losers. But you're right it's not like YouTube hasn't done this before. Plenty of very rapidly viewed videos (e.g PewDiePie's "Congratulations" and rewind videos) mysteriously didn't appear on…

They do sometimes manipulate the audio channel by muting it because of a copyright claim, that's what I was referring to.

Re: YouTube is trying to reward “quality” content

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Post by maceurt »

krapp wrote: post #33
maceurt wrote: post #12

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That is the equivalent of deplatforming in a lot of ways, especially on youtube where millions of videos are uploaded daily. If your videos are not suggested, and do not show up high in trending or search results, then they practically don't exist except from word of mouth and outside promotion.

Then by definition most videos on Youtube are already "deplatformed," since the space for recommendations and the front page is limited. Why is this suddenly a problem?

False. The trending pages and suggested pages are filled based on google's algorithm that determines which video the user will like/ watch the most. That is the only fair way to determine trending and suggested videos.

Re: YouTube is trying to reward “quality” content

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Post by krapp »

maceurt wrote: post #82
krapp wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then by definition most videos on Youtube are already "deplatformed," since the space for recommendations and the front page is limited. Why is this suddenly a problem?

False. The trending pages and suggested pages are filled based on google's algorithm that determines which video the user will like/ watch the most. That is the only fair way to determine trending and suggested videos.

How is that fair? Google's algorithm is biased towards what brings revenue for google. Content that isn't easily monetizable is suppressed, and content creators are punished for not conforming their content to what the algorithm wants.

Re: YouTube is trying to reward “quality” content

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Post by sametmax »

keiferski wrote: post #19

Frankly, I hope YouTube (and Google in general) dramatically overdo it with the censorship, "curation", and deplatforming of "irresponsible" content, purely so that it forces an independent, non-corporate model to be developed. Having one company be the sole gatekeeper for the overwhelming majority of the web's video content is not a solution.

Because it worked so well for radio, tv and newspapers.

Re: YouTube is trying to reward “quality” content

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Post by kzcqt »

keiferski wrote: post #19

Frankly, I hope YouTube (and Google in general) dramatically overdo it with the censorship, "curation", and deplatforming of "irresponsible" content, purely so that it forces an independent, non-corporate model to be developed. Having one company be the sole gatekeeper for the overwhelming majority of the web's video content is not a solution.

A site like youtube requires so much CPU/GPU power, storage capacity and bandwidth that it's highly unlikely that a new competitor[] will appear, and completely impossible to decentralise.

[]If we don't count the likes of Facebook, Microsoft, etc as competitors, since they would manage the site in the same way Google does.

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Post by criley2 »

busterarm wrote: post #66
criley2 wrote: post #31

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MCN's are basically the private version of this. Content creators join MCN's "Multi-Channel Networks" with the idea that the MCN will handle some of the more administrative and legal tasks while the content creators focus on content. MCN's try to help with the copyright striking and often do have a direct line to youtube due to their size and importance.

Except MCNs sit as a middleman to you getting paid. The Defy Media debacle taught everyone a hard lesson. For those unaware, Defy Media went bust and had taken out substantial loans to operate. A large number of big creators are still unpaid while Defy Media's creditors carve up the company's assets. All those creators are going to get left unpaid.

Fair enough, but to bring this case up without mentioning mandatory union dues and the costs of unionization feels disingenuous.

Unions very much are a middle man between labor and management, and the collective bargaining agreement that this potential Creators Union would sign would hamstring a creators freedom in this space pretty significantly as well.

Is what it is, both choices have positives and negatives from my perspective.

Re: YouTube is trying to reward “quality” content

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Post by enitihas »

keiferski wrote: post #19

Frankly, I hope YouTube (and Google in general) dramatically overdo it with the censorship, "curation", and deplatforming of "irresponsible" content, purely so that it forces an independent, non-corporate model to be developed. Having one company be the sole gatekeeper for the overwhelming majority of the web's video content is not a solution.

I don't think any new platform is going to be able to compete with YouTube at all with the current regulations. How will any new platform comply with new EU copyright laws, or remove unlawful videos as quickly as YouTube? (e.g the unfortunate New Zealand terrorist attack)

Re: YouTube is trying to reward “quality” content

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Post by krapp »

kzcqt wrote: post #85
keiferski wrote: post #19

Frankly, I hope YouTube (and Google in general) dramatically overdo it with the censorship, "curation", and deplatforming of "irresponsible" content, purely so that it forces an independent, non-corporate model to be developed. Having one company be the sole gatekeeper for the overwhelming majority of the web's video content is not a solution.

A site like youtube requires so much CPU/GPU power, storage capacity and bandwidth that it's highly unlikely that a new competitor[] will appear, and completely impossible to decentralise. []If we don't count the likes of Facebook, Microsoft, etc as competitors, since they would manage the site in the same way Google does.

Plenty of other video streaming sites exist. Competition certainly isn't impossible, and competitors don't have to operate at Youtube's scale to be viable, assuming they target a niche demographic.

Re: YouTube is trying to reward “quality” content

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Post by kzcqt »

krapp wrote: post #88
kzcqt wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A site like youtube requires so much CPU/GPU power, storage capacity and bandwidth that it's highly unlikely that a new competitor[] will appear, and completely impossible to decentralise. []If we don't count the likes of Facebook, Microsoft, etc as competitors, since they would manage the site in the same way Google does.

Plenty of other video streaming sites exist. Competition certainly isn't impossible, and competitors don't have to operate at Youtube's scale to be viable, assuming they target a niche demographic.

A competitor would need to operate at youtube's scale for it to be considered a serious competitor. Otherwise, we wouldn't be having this conversation, given that websites like Dailymotion and Vimeo exist, but no "youtube stars" use them.
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