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The actual indictment: https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/press-release/file/1153481... Snowden: The weakness of the US charge against Assange is shocking. The allegation he tried (and failed?) to help crack a password during their world-famous reporting has been public for nearly a decade: it is the count Obama's DOJ refused to charge, saying it endangered journalism. https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/11163365508733…

If Assange gets extradited on a charge that the previous administration wouldn't push but the administration his organization assisted in getting elected is willing to (because they don't care about such a paltry thing as "endangering the protections provided to freedom of the press by the US Constitution"), it will be the highest of ironies.

The US government is not a monolith, it consists of many competing factions.

It's not at all obvious which faction initiated the extradition request, or for what purpose.

It's possible this is to pressure Assange to provide evidence in the investigation into Russian influence on the 2016 election.

It's also possible this is an attempt to sequester him to prevent disclosure of information about those events.

A third possibility is that this is an attack on the press.

Even without a conviction, it will have a chilling effect on journalists publishing classified information, which is not currently a crime.

With a conviction, it will establish a dark new precedent that criminalizes much of the most consequential reporting.

And that would not be irony, it would be tragedy.

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I think Obama and Bush really badly mishandled both Snowden and Assange. Heavy handed responses to both of them drove them into the arms of Russia. I don’t think either of them were Russian assets when they started.

How should it have been "handled" in your opinion? 'Protect the whistleblower' or take out the 'threat to national interests'?

> How should it have been "handled" in your opinion? 'Protect the whistleblower' or take out the 'threat to national interests'?

Congratulating them for their great work towards human rights and publicly expelling and denouncing the perpetrators of atrocities. You know, leading by example.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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For those who prefer the original source: http://news.met.police.uk/news/update-arrest-of-julian-assan...

The actual indictment: https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/press-release/file/1153481... Snowden: The weakness of the US charge against Assange is shocking. The allegation he tried (and failed?) to help crack a password during their world-famous reporting has been public for nearly a decade: it is the count Obama's DOJ refused to charge, saying it endangered journalism. https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/11163365508733…

Interesting, as the current narrative (on thehill.com, a left-center bias news source no less) is that this is all caused by fears from the Obama administration personnel: https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/394036-How-Comey-int...

Though it is also the narrative on russia propaganda sites https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201806271065837436-comey-as...

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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The ease by which the US can extradite him from the UK is precisely why I thought poorly of the claim that he felt his life was endangered by going to Sweden .

The UK makes the US go through the legal extradition process, whereas Sweden has been happy to just let the CIA fly in and kidnap people completely outside the legal process. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_of_Ahmed_Agiza_an...

So why didn't they just do that while he was in Sweden? Having him under arrest in Sweden would make it more difficult, not easier.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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> Finding him guilty, District Judge Michael Snow said Mr Assange's behaviour was "the behaviour of a narcissist who cannot get beyond his own selfish interest". Seems a bit personal for a ruling on a breach of bail conditions.

Watch the video of the arrest and look at the cop smirking as assange is dragged out. It seems there's plenty of personal feelings around him.

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In the Afghan War Documents leak, Julian Assange refused to redact the names of Afghans who informed on the Taliban. He referred to them as “spies and traitors” in comments to the media. A reporter for the Guardian claims he said, “Well, they're informants. So, if they get killed, they've got it coming to them. They deserve it.” Nasty way to diss on fellow leakers, in my opinion. I wonder if Mr. Assange feels he hims…

From your link: Guardian journalist, David Leigh, claimed that Julian Assange initially refused to redact the names of informants.[62] In his book, co-authored with Luke Harding, WikiLeaks: Inside Julian Assange's War on Secrecy, Leigh claimed Assange to have said in relation to whether the names should be redacted, "Well, they're informants. So, if they get killed, they've got it coming to them. They deserve it."[63…

And yet no such lawsuit ever occurred, nor was a retraction ever made...

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Free press does not mean it's free from any agenda. Rather, it means that anyone with an agenda has the freedom to express their point of view. The main idea that the only agenda accepted publicly are not those presented by the government, hence making the intellectual atmosphere a bit more robust and less sterile. The point why "western press is better than russias" is not about truth but rather inviting an atmosphe…

> but rather inviting an atmosphere where many voices can be heard. yes? please do tell that to those sitting in US secret prisons around the world. Or those that have been released innocent from gitmo after many years into banana republics like Kazakhstan without apology and are there under constant surveillance. of course the US isn't a dictatorship provided that your views are in-line with their propaganda. Assang…

> Next time this happens I won't waste my empathy.

Are you actually humanly capable of watching 3000 non-combatants die suddenly without feeling any empathy? Think about what you're saying - about your own humanity.

Non-combatants, whether they are Iraqi, Afghani, American or any nationality, should not be targeted by military forces. I hope this is something most people can agree on!

Whether it is a wedding the US drops bombs on to target one person, or a suicide attack like 9/11, it's wrong when any side does it.

Don't let the politicians win. They try to divide us into groups, and then make us hate each other. Even though we've never met. The reality is we are all human beings who deserve peaceful lives, but those at the top play their power games and we all suffer because of it.

The real divide is normal people vs the powerful, not country-vs-country.

Don't fall into their hands and give up your humanity out of spite.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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> People take real risks when telling on others. That it may be later revealed and their targets may try to take revenge is part of that. I'm not sure if you meant to defend him but that describes Julian Assange's own situation pretty well.

I only meant to point out that being an informant for occupying force is not some clear cut morally good situation from an outside POV on the informant, when the giving of information leads to: - killing people by bombings - locking people up without usual safety/legal process regards, and torturing them (either directly, or by having a pretty nasty jail) Innocent people are often killed, and locked up. This is not s…

>There's this book, that makes good points about the complexity of the situation in Afghantistan, and the US intervention:

Sorry, no. The US has terrible foreign policy, yes, but religious fanatics like the Taliban are a cancer on humanity. They seek to keep women as chattel and murder homosexuals and anyone else that doesn't conform to their insane ideology.

Anyone who informs on them is a hero, and people like Assange who go after them are villains. It's no coincidence that Assange is buddy-buddy with racists like Sean Hannity (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/julian-ass...). He just wants to be in the news, and doesn't care if he has to stand side-by-side with fascists, racists, and religious fundamentalists to get there.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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post #773

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The actual indictment: https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/press-release/file/1153481... Snowden: The weakness of the US charge against Assange is shocking. The allegation he tried (and failed?) to help crack a password during their world-famous reporting has been public for nearly a decade: it is the count Obama's DOJ refused to charge, saying it endangered journalism. https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/11163365508733…

Interesting, as the current narrative (on thehill.com, a left-center bias news source no less) is that this is all caused by fears from the Obama administration personnel: https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/394036-How-Comey-int... Though it is also the narrative on russia propaganda sites https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201806271065837436-comey-as...

It’s odd, I just heard Greenwald pinning it on the Trump admin. Not the legacy of of Obama’s DoJ. I guess he’d like to see Trump personally involved to rescind the prev DoJ indictment?

Also international left is still on his side defending him, but thd US left want to see him hung out to dry. Interesting split.

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