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Julian Assange arrested in London
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Re: Julian Assange arrested in London
#682Earlier quoted context omitted.
- By everything I've read of his behaviour, even before he became famous, the accusations seemed to be very much his style - The specifics, i. e. secretly removing the condom, seem to invite all sorts of "that's not rape" opinions, making them a rather bad choice compared to stereotypical violent rape. - The supposed CIA connection of the accuser is a laughable 10-degrees-of-Kevin-Bacon connection involving her atten…
This is incredibly ill-informed, or very carefully constructed disinformation, and I'm uncomfortable that I can't tel the difference. For example: there were many illegal, suggestions of illegal, and offensive things in those, and related, email leaks, for supporters and detractors of HRC. > If you're intent to discredit Assange among his fanbase, which is largely young, male, and online: isn't rape actually the wors…
If there are "many illegal and offensive things" in the emails, why did Trump supporters have to make up a hare-brained conspiracy theory about pedophiles in a pizza parlor to justify their belief that the emails were incriminating?
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#683I just want to know, from the people who seemed to have turned against Assange, how do you know it's not a concerted disinformation / propaganda campaign to remove all his credibility and reduce public support? By my reckoning It's really hard to know what to even believe about a guy who might credibly be targeted by that.
WikiLeaks released the personal information of my colleagues and myself.
So much for sticking it to the man, when we have to live the rest of our lives with the risk of identity fraud just because they're dicks.
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#684What would someone that lives in London and believes that what it's happening to Assange is criminal and would like to help somehow or help it not happening with the next 'Assange' or 'Snowden' do? I have tried to reach out to Sarah Harrison in the past but got nowhere, I'm not an activist or know anyone, just a normal bloke that would like to get involved.
What would be my options? Volunteer at Amnesty International? Doesn't seem like they did anything to help.
I'm a member of this forum, hence asking it here, I don't even know which other online communities I should be asking this, but I feel like doing something is the right thing to do and feel frustrated I haven't been able to find a way to get involved with the people helping out.
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#685Considering Assange is not a US citizen, how could their be ground for an extradition to the US? This doesn't sound right
Citizenship has no relationship to extradition.
Re: Julian Assange arrested in London
#686Earlier quoted context omitted.
- By everything I've read of his behaviour, even before he became famous, the accusations seemed to be very much his style - The specifics, i. e. secretly removing the condom, seem to invite all sorts of "that's not rape" opinions, making them a rather bad choice compared to stereotypical violent rape. - The supposed CIA connection of the accuser is a laughable 10-degrees-of-Kevin-Bacon connection involving her atten…
> If you're intent to discredit Assange among his fanbase, which is largely young, male, and online: isn't rape actually the worst possible crime to smear him? Just look at the prevalence of "obviously fake"/"not rape" and various other character assassination in this thread. So the existence of doubt is proof of invalidity of the said doubt. That is some Olympic level mental gymnastics.
> existence of doubt is proof of invalidity of the said doubt
That's not what was written at all, and you've made an extremely uncharitable interpretation of their statement to come to the response you did.
Ultimately, the parent poster wasn't saying this is proof of invalidity, they were saying it was one potential piece of evidence. Your conflation of a small point of evidence as "total proof" is where I think you've been relatively uncharitable to the parent poster.
Also, their point wasn't that any doubt existed. Their point was that the level of doubt for this type of crime is often relatively higher than for some other types of crimes. This would make it slightly less effective at the alleged purpose, therefore it should slightly lower our confidence in the hypothesis that this was done as a character assassination.
Neither of the parent posters points were absolutes, but you took them to be. It's about the relative level of doubt being slightly larger, and that results in a small lowering of our confidence.
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#687I would like to locate all HN comments which said he never would get arrested on behalf of the US, and that Assange objections was all just pretense for trying to escape justice from the UK/Swedish legal system.
Yeah, moments before the arrest, many people in this thread were accusing him of paranoia/manipulative intents: >He claimed that his reason to do so was to avoid extradition to the US, but Sweden wasn't allowed to extradite him without UK's permission first [0]. He could've gone to Sweden and face the charges, and avoided this whole thing. But he had to make himself look like a victim of a conspiracy instead, and his…
The one about the CIA arresting or disappearing a man living in an Ecuadorian embassy in the center of London is interesting. Seems to imply the US can basically do anything anywhere and will if they want to, and really ignores the huge international fiasco from incredibly recently in the Khashoggi case.
I like the think the people manning our intelligence agencies are a fair bit better than that personally.
Although having read “Legacy of Ashes”, there certainly are some very interesting moments in CIA history.
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#688Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wikileaks even sold anti-Hillary merchandise on their website.
Hillary had "joked" about droning Assange before.
There is no evidence that this happened except an article from Wikileaks itself citing "sources at the State Department".
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/julian-assange-drone-strik...
Re: Julian Assange arrested in London
#689Considering Assange is not a US citizen, how could their be ground for an extradition to the US? This doesn't sound right
I want to know too, specifically.
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#690"Mr Assange, 47, [appeared] at Westminster Magistrates' Court. He pleaded "not guilty" to the 2012 charge of failing to surrender to the court. [...] Finding him guilty, District Judge Michael Snow said Mr Assange's behaviour was "the behaviour of a narcissist who cannot get beyond his own selfish interest"."
How does the English justice system work? He was arrested, and almost immediately taken to court and convicted?