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Windows 3.1 in my BIOS? It's more likely than you think

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Re: Windows 3.1 in my BIOS? It's more likely than you think

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>"Windows 3.1 in my BIOS? It's more likely than you think". That is a pretty misleading title to me, it sounds like they discovered many bios's have embedded windows 3.1 to run the user interface. Instead its about someone purposefully loading windows 3.1 onto their bios flash chip, and how they made it functional. "How i embedded windows 3.1 into my bios" or something would be a more descriptive title. edit: Or even…

I seem to remember that Compaq business PCs in the late 1990s/early 00s had BIOS/NVRAM setup that looked suspiciously like a customized build of Windows 3.1. You held ESC or something during boot and you got a mouse-driven interface to set various hardware settings. I remember it being quite the contrast to the more common text-mode menu based BIOS setups. I never looked into it whether it was actually in ROM/Flash o…

This is just made to look like Windows 3.1 at a glance but there are many small details that are different from real Windows 3.1 (or even 3.0). For example Windows 3.x do not have a 3D shaded button at the top left corner of windows, instead they have a flat button/square with a thin "-"-like rectangle that has a black outline, white filling and single pixel shadow, like a three pixel tall popup menu (which is intentional since in Win3.x this was supposed to be the icon for applications to use if they wanted to have a dedicated control/widget for showing a popup menu).

Similarly, the mouse cursor's triangular part is smaller, the window corners are missing the "connecting" corner lines, the font is different (in Win3.1 all fonts are bold and the space is narrower), the button shadow color is too dark (this was the case for EGA in Win3.x but this is VGA and in VGA the palette was modified to have a less contrasting shade for the bevel colors), the dialog box (from the first image in the three, not linked in your message) uses the resizeable (but corner lines still missing) border style instead of the dialog box style (which is blue with a white inner line), etc. I'm sure i can find more differences if i spend more time on this and look at Win3.x screenshots, but these are from memory and i think you get the idea :-P.

Re: Windows 3.1 in my BIOS? It's more likely than you think

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post #29

>"Windows 3.1 in my BIOS? It's more likely than you think". That is a pretty misleading title to me, it sounds like they discovered many bios's have embedded windows 3.1 to run the user interface. Instead its about someone purposefully loading windows 3.1 onto their bios flash chip, and how they made it functional. "How i embedded windows 3.1 into my bios" or something would be a more descriptive title. edit: Or even…

It's a reference to an ancient internet meme. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/its-more-likely-than-you-thin...

The original from an advertisement reading:

“Centipedes? In my vagina?”

It's more likely than you think.

Re: Windows 3.1 in my BIOS? It's more likely than you think

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Reminds me of the 486 motherboard which would boot DOS with no SIMMs (RAM) in it. It had 64 kbyte cache on the motherboard...

That's not cache, friend - that's main system memory =)

(and 640KB by the time of the 486)

(though, speaking of cache, the 486 was the first chip in the family to have L1 cache - a whole 8KB of it!)

Re: Windows 3.1 in my BIOS? It's more likely than you think

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post #9

MS Windows of some 3.x variety was apparently the original selected GUI for the Atari ST, intended to be running from ROM… however, MS couldn’t apparently get it to fit in less than a couple of megabytes, hex dumps of the code would show a hell of a lot of redundant x86 stuff in there, like references to hercules drivers and all manner of bloat that they couldn’t strip. They seemed to be disassembling the binaries to…

Windows 3.0 came out in 1990, whereas the Atari ST came out in 1985, so that story definitely doesn’t check out. Windows 1.0 came out in 1985 (though still much later than the ST) so maybe it was that?

Not the OP but I wonder if he's thinking of Windows 1.0? Wikipedia does describe Microsoft approaching Tramiel[1] but the details differ from what the OP suggested.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_ST#Operating_system

Re: Windows 3.1 in my BIOS? It's more likely than you think

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Remember the Mac OS and MacWrite fit on a single LOW-density 3.5″ floppy in 1984.

That's not too surprising. Early MacOS didn't provide much more than MS-DOS under the hood (non-hierarchical file system, manual multitasking), and the graphics were all 1bpp.

Re: Windows 3.1 in my BIOS? It's more likely than you think

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post #33

Reminds me of the 486 motherboard which would boot DOS with no SIMMs (RAM) in it. It had 64 kbyte cache on the motherboard...

That's not cache, friend - that's main system memory =) (and 640 KB by the time of the 486) (though, speaking of cache, the 486 was the first chip in the family to have L1 cache - a whole 8KB of it!)

Parent specified a board with SIMM sockets, which would contain main memory. The 486 family supported external L2 cache, for which 64KB would be a plausible size.

Re: Windows 3.1 in my BIOS? It's more likely than you think

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> This was achieved via a DOS USB driver (if the device got hotplugged, R:\WINDOWS\USB\USB.BAT is your friend) DOS has USB drivers. This is the weirdest part.

DOS is still surprisingly usable in the modern world with a little work. That isn't super surprising though given how simple a system it is and how ubiquitous it was in the relatively recent past.

Worth mentioning that there are many DOSes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOS FreeDOS was shipped with Dell and HP computers as recently as 2012.

Re: Windows 3.1 in my BIOS? It's more likely than you think

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I get the retro chic of an old Windows OS, but you could also package a window manager, web browser, text editor, and more in a floppy disk into the late 2000s using Linux. Compared to the multiple gigs of OS files needed to run Android on my smartphone, it's almost inconceivable how wasteful modern software is.

Re: Windows 3.1 in my BIOS? It's more likely than you think

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a reference to an ancient internet meme. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/its-more-likely-than-you-thin...

The original from an advertisement reading: “Centipedes? In my vagina?” It's more likely than you think.

That's the meme. The original advertisement was about a piece of software that checked computers for porn. It was from the makers of Net Nanny.
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