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Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by kiliantics »

tomstockmail wrote: post #517
rocqua wrote: post #492

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Honestly, either side of this argument feels like attempts at manipulation to me. The end result is that it is becoming harder to trust any statement, not really what we want either.

>The end result is that it is becoming harder to trust any statement, not really what we want either. This is a tactic in itself. I can't find the details behind it, but the act of so much misinformation at once that helps drowned out more factual news while simultaneously making it so that you don't believe what you're reading. It's not a new tactic, but it's well used.

There is a nice exploration of this in the Adam Curtis documentary Hypernormalisation

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Post by isostatic »

belorn wrote: post #487

I would like to locate all HN comments which said he never would get arrested on behalf of the US, and that Assange objections was all just pretense for trying to escape justice from the UK/Swedish legal system.

What people were saying is that his argument (If I go to Sweden the U.S. will extradite me) is baloney.

It was. The U.S. could easilly extradite him from the UK.

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Post by jessaustin »

dd36 wrote: post #585
jessaustin wrote: post #567

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You're basing this on what? St. Mueller has finished his investigation, and precisely no one will be going to prison for "Russian election meddling". If they didn't do this horrible thing (that is entirely protected by 1A), then how could anyone have helped them do this horrible thing?

Ummmm Mueller indicted many Russian nationals.

Reading is fundamental. Said nationals will never see the inside of USA courtrooms. That being the case, standards for indictment were even lower than their usual ham-sandwich levels. FBI never saw the damn servers. They just believed Crowdstrike when he said "oh yeah those servers were just infested with Russkies. By the way we've melted down all the hard drives. We like to recycle!" Good grief, this wouldn't pass the laugh test even in the pathetic courts we have.

Why did Mueller put on such a goofy show, when he knew all along he would indict no American for "Russian collusion"? He was throwing his friends in the media a bone. They've pushed this long enough to guarantee Trump's reelection, which is all they ever wanted. Ratings gold!

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Post by CathedralBorrow »

qazpot wrote: post #454
matt4077 wrote: post #332

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- By everything I've read of his behaviour, even before he became famous, the accusations seemed to be very much his style - The specifics, i. e. secretly removing the condom, seem to invite all sorts of "that's not rape" opinions, making them a rather bad choice compared to stereotypical violent rape. - The supposed CIA connection of the accuser is a laughable 10-degrees-of-Kevin-Bacon connection involving her atten…

> If you're intent to discredit Assange among his fanbase, which is largely young, male, and online: isn't rape actually the worst possible crime to smear him? Just look at the prevalence of "obviously fake"/"not rape" and various other character assassination in this thread. So the existence of doubt is proof of invalidity of the said doubt. That is some Olympic level mental gymnastics.

Would you care to address any of the other points made or does this detail suffice to dismantle the entire argument?

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Post by peteradio »

lowpro wrote: post #459
kmlx wrote: post #366

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wikileaks/Assange during the recent US presidential elections. that’s what did it for me. even now, knowing what we now about Russian interference, they still have the “Hillary Clinton email archive” proudly displayed on their homepage. also, there are those rape cases for which he ran away. shady stuff.

Even if Russia leaked the emails (not certain as the media would have you believe at all, not saying it’s conspiracy but It’s not conclusive), the information regarding massive corruption in the DNC was true, and that information being public is 1) good and 2) important.

massive corruption hah

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Post by Loughla »

nerflad wrote: post #166
rudiv wrote: post #53

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Reading the rest of the comments, it's surprising that so many people seem to have reduced WikiLeaks & Assange to 'co-conspirators with the President'. They've been around before the 2016 election.

The majority of people I know don't remember or care what Chelsea Manning's leaks actually contained. Or that she exists.

Honestly, in flyover country, the only time folks talk about Chelsea Manning is as a thinly veiled attack on trans individuals. Nothing about what was leaked or that she even leaked anything important.

It's sad.

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Post by spork12 »

rndgermandude wrote: post #533
scotchmi_st wrote: post #523

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The second statement doesn't follow from the first. He was both wanted for questioning in a rape investigation _and_ wanted for extradition to the US. You can both want him to face charges for rape, and also not want him to be extradited to the US. The lack of regard for a rape case against him (mostly by male commenters, it has to be said) is very troubling.

You mean the "he removed his condom during consensual intercourse without her knowing or him telling her" rape...

It's times like this when we need the "Love Contract" from Chapelle's show.
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