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Julian Assange arrested in London

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Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by zug_zug »

techntoke wrote: post #453
Crosseye_Jack wrote: post #383

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> or have his ashes thrown into the sea the same way as they did with Osama bin Laden. The UK won't extradite if the death penality is on the cards. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/41/section/94

This is ridiculous. No one is talking about death penalty except people trying to inflame the situation.

Eh, how can you know that?

The US government has two contradictory personalities. A justice personality that is procedural and fair, and a military/spy personality that executes via drone and sets up Guantanamo.

Since the latter seems to think it owes no explanation to anyone of whatever it does (and moreover tries to use courts to hide its mistakes after the fact), who are you to say that it's above executing?

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by dd36 »

papermill wrote: post #544
threeseed wrote: post #510

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Assange is anything but a uniform thorn. He has continually supported and looked out for Russian interests. If he wasn't biased there would be a lot more public support for him.

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Where did he mention Trump?

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by SantalBlush »

decoyworker wrote: post #465
dandare wrote: post #331

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Not only does my post appeal to emotion, it openly appeals to emotion. On the other hand, your post uses the appeal to middle ground fallacy. If your list of priorities starts with anything other than stopping the routine torture of children, then your grand scheme of things is probably evil.

What if a child torturer is helping you save other lives and end the war sooner thus saving innumerable lives? Do you see how torture is bad but there are other variables?

Thanks to the endless intellectualization by genuinely intelligent people, we can no longer call anything good or bad anymore. I guess no country has ever been guilty of crimes against humanity, since it's always "complicated".

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by throwawaylolx »

foldr wrote: post #561
thefounder wrote: post #548

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Or could say USA tried all the dirty tricks

They tried the more complicated route before they tried the simple route? Assange was in the UK for approximately two years before he went into the embassy.

Perhaps at the time that was the simpler route. It's been reported that the US intelligence agencies have been working on the extradition process in 2018, so the fact that this was easily done today doesn't mean it could've been done as easily then.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by dd36 »

jessaustin wrote: post #567
threeseed wrote: post #510

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Assange is anything but a uniform thorn. He has continually supported and looked out for Russian interests. If he wasn't biased there would be a lot more public support for him.

You're basing this on what? St. Mueller has finished his investigation, and precisely no one will be going to prison for "Russian election meddling". If they didn't do this horrible thing (that is entirely protected by 1A), then how could anyone have helped them do this horrible thing?

Ummmm Mueller indicted many Russian nationals.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by magnamerc »

creaghpatr wrote: post #504
magnamerc wrote: post #491

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Isn't it confirmed that the Russians hacked the DNC e-mails on the day that Trump famously said: 'Russia, if you're listening...". Wasn't that in the indictment for the 12 members of the GRU?

No, it's not, nor is it related.

I never said it was related. It's just confirmed that the hacks happened on that day. It's in the indictments.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by magnamerc »

tenpies wrote: post #532
magnamerc wrote: post #491

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Isn't it confirmed that the Russians hacked the DNC e-mails on the day that Trump famously said: 'Russia, if you're listening...". Wasn't that in the indictment for the 12 members of the GRU?

I still cannot believe that rational people believe that Trump said that literally. Even if you weren't watching and only got the media-spun version of events, the idea that the FSB is going to be watching live TV waiting for a literal order from a US candidate strikes me as so comically outlandish. Email? Nope, it might go to the spam folder. Phone call? What of the time zone difference? Blinking morse code? Too obv…

I never once implied that the GRU hacked the e-mails because Trump said this. All I said was that in the indictments, it was confirmed that the e-mail hack happened on that day. It could be a coincidence, I have no idea.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by monocasa »

akhilcacharya wrote: post #564
betterunix2 wrote: post #509

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Coordinating the releases of DNC emails with the Trump campaign is what did it for me. Wikileaks as a neutral outlet for leaking evidence of corruption is fine and in the past the worst anyone could say is that they were in way over their heads (remember the "insurance file"?). In 2016 Assange allowed politics to slip into the decision-making process, and gave up what credibility he and Wikileaks had.

Wikileaks even sold anti-Hillary merchandise on their website.

Hillary had "joked" about droning Assange before.
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