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Re: The Urgent Quest for Slower, Better News

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I stopped checking 'general' news long ago.

Recently I searched for some 'valuable' news source - kinda meritum from the news - but nothing like that exists ...

... so I started my own 'news' for UNIX/BSD/Linux related stuff - Valuable News - https://vermaden.wordpress.com/2019/04/08/valuable-news-2019...

Because various UNIX/BSD/Linux related news sites also make a lot of SPAM and no-so-much-news ...

Re: The Urgent Quest for Slower, Better News

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It needs to be pointed out that this is an option that originates from privilege. Ignoring the news means ignoring politics. Ignoring politics is tacit support of the status quo. The status quo does not put everyone on equal footing. Disadvantaged people would therefore suffer more from disengaging with the news than people of privilege.

You're out of your ing mind. One of tbe greatest abuses that lower classes have to endure is the 24 hour propoganda and emotional hijacking machine known as "the news". God forbid people have the freedom to have cognitive peace, quiet, contemplation, and free play. If anything, the "disadvantaged" have more to gain from disengaging from constant cognitive hijacking!

> You're out of your ing mind.

Please edit personal swipes out of your posts here. Your comment would be fine without that first sentence.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The Urgent Quest for Slower, Better News

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"News" in its most common form has little to do with being an informed citizen. The library would be a better bet.

So we should just never read any news again because someone wrote a click-bait article? I don't know if you've been to a library...but they usually have newspapers .

"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."

"Don't be snarky."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The Urgent Quest for Slower, Better News

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post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It needs to be pointed out that this is an option that originates from privilege. Ignoring the news means ignoring politics. Ignoring politics is tacit support of the status quo. The status quo does not put everyone on equal footing. Disadvantaged people would therefore suffer more from disengaging with the news than people of privilege.

This view is pretentious and hypocritical. Let’s imagine that you’re a typical HN-er and you have a nice MacBook Pro or have taken a nice vacation or gone to Burning Man or whatever. For that same amount of money, you could have changed the life of a child in Bangladesh. Why didn’t you? Because you are a bad person, and you chose frivolities for yourself over necessities for someone far from you. Maybe if you read th…

Would you please not post in the flamewar style to Hacker News? I seem to have noticed you doing it a lot again recently. It would be good if you'd take a step back from that because this comment is over the flameline. That's not cool, regardless of how good or right your points are, and I'm sure you can make them without that.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The Urgent Quest for Slower, Better News

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I don't think this is a problem of the media but rather of the consumer. In the pre-Twitter time people used to be concerned about those consuming only tabloids or trash TV news. At best, possibly even none at all.

In fact the offer of "slow news" is so much larger than "fast news". The New Yorker is actually an example of very slow news ;-) Also on TV/Web streaming there is a lot of slow news like BBC News for instance. The truth is most people find this too boring, they are just not interested in Politics. Maybe new formats like VICE are improving this.

Maybe this problem didn't even got worse but it just became more visible in the age of Google News where you suddenly see that you can read the same article on 200 different news pages - sometimes just copy&pasting from Reuters.

And yes, news is always biased. That's why one should read different sources with different biases... That's a very time consuming task if you are only consuming slow news.

Re: The Urgent Quest for Slower, Better News

#327

I stopped checking 'general' news long ago. Recently I searched for some 'valuable' news source - kinda meritum from the news - but nothing like that exists ... ... so I started my own 'news' for UNIX/BSD/Linux related stuff - Valuable News - https://vermaden.wordpress.com/2019/04/08/valuable-news-2019... Because various UNIX/BSD/Linux related news sites also make a lot of SPAM and no-so-much-news ...

Regular reader of Valuable News here. Thank you very much for your work and efforts!

Re: The Urgent Quest for Slower, Better News

#328

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The point is that you have no moral obligation to read the news and learn about the suffering of distant people in some ill conceived attempt to try and empathize with them. Humans aren’t built that way. You don’t have a generalized obligation to inform yourself about the abstract struggles of others and give up your own priorities in some token gesture of support for those people. Take two people who both go to Burn…

>>The point is that you have no moral obligation to read the news and learn about the suffering of distant people in some ill conceived attempt to try and empathize with them. Humans aren’t built that way. You don’t have a generalized obligation to inform yourself about the abstract struggles of others and give up your own priorities in some token gesture of support for those people. Wow! Forget about the grandparent…

Please do not post in the flamewar style to Hacker News, regardless of how wrong or annoying you find someone else's comments. Personal attacks, in particular, are right out.

No more of this please, especially since we've hard to warn you multiple times in the past.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The Urgent Quest for Slower, Better News

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I did the same 1-2 years ago, and haven't regretted it. Interestingly, I've experienced the same thing where others seem offended by decision, and I also get accused of being insular and "living in my own little bubble". I just don't get this though - what exactly am I losing out on?

Well, the good news is that you guys aren't losing out on it! You're on HN. Which means you get your daily dose of "outrage porn" like anyone else. I think many people don't think of HN as, basically, a "News" site. With a large percentage of the front page dedicated to "outrage porn". "Big Tech Helping China." "US Workers Highly Taxed." Etc etc etc. And those are just the more, kind of, moderate examples. I think ye…

How would you define outrage porn? I think that we have to be careful with definitions. Just as we do not define everything that produces sexual arousal as porn because we would have to call even meaningful relationships porn, we should be careful not to call everything that might produce a certain level of disagreement "outrage porn". If there is a well reasoned and substantiated article about something that is bad and should be fixed, what is your metric to distinguish it from outrage porn?

Re: The Urgent Quest for Slower, Better News

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Did the same thing about 4 years ago and haven’t looked back. I find though that a lot of people are actually offended by it since I have no clue what thing they and everyone else is outraged about. I get accused of not caring, being disengaged, blah blah blah. It’s difficult to explain to people who are still deep in outrage mode, so I mostly avoid taking about it. My life is so much better since cutting out the new…

How do you know whom to vote for? I understand the US doesn't have a lot of choice on the ballot, political news is highly polarized and latest/developing news is probably not worth following. But somewhat keeping up with what your government does so you can hold it accountable seems like a civic duty to me. And what better way to do this than news?

I understand the US doesn't have a lot of choice on the ballot

That is not at all true. Sure there may only be two parties with one candidate each on the national level (assuming you don't get involved with the primaries), but in the US a lot more local positions are elected (which in many ways have a much greater effect on your day to day life) and local referendums (or ballot initiatives) are very common.

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