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Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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dexterdog wrote: post #252
cogman10 wrote: post #217

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Having just done a 1000 mile (1600km) road trip through Oregon, it wasn't really that big of a hassle. I told my car where I wanted to go, the tesla routing software put down pins on where to charge and told me how long to charge. That was it. If anything, planning for gas stops is much more of a burden, because usually as you are driving, once you get to ~1/4 full you are thinking to yourself "Ok, where can I stop t…

If you are on a highway with 1/4 tank you are likely to have a number of options before you get close to running out an you can be taking just about any route you want. With a supercharger dependency you are highly limited.

See your sibling comment.

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sailfast wrote: post #61
Reason077 wrote: post #34

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The Tesla Model 3 is very capable of long road trips, especially in the summer, with a range of 500km or more. The only exception would be if you’re driving in very remote areas with no charging infrastructure, but that almost doesn’t exist any more in Western Europe. The Tesla Supercharger network, combined with its ability to charge on CCS charging networks like Ionity, make it uniquely suited to long distance trav…

For a Model 3 even with readily available charging that still means ~1 hour waiting on a supercharger per charge, and you've gotta do that 2-3x to get from, say, Amsterdam to Kitzbuhel for a skiing road trip. Figure 15 Euro minimum to use the charger during that time? (I'm using range numbers and charging costs available on the web to run this calculation) I know it's _possible_ to get somewhere without range anxiety…

It may not be for you. It’s fine for me. (FWIW, I also politically strongly disagree with EU’s draconian emission standards that are attempting to push EVs on people who don’t won’t EVs.)

The route you mention is full of Superchargers. You absolutely don’t need to wait an hour for a charge, and that’s a bad way to charge (lower rate of charge on fully empty and mostly full batteries). And you depart your hope fully charged and then charge in your Kitzbuhel hotel. On the way, there’s plenty of opportunities to stop for a 15-20 minutes charge and a coffee+bathroom break.

I can’t drive more than 3, 4 max, hours without taking a small break. Most of the time, the damn car is notifying me it’s all charged and ready to continue before I am done with my coffee. It’s fine for me.

My brother, who routine goes Prague-Amsterdam overnight in a single go, would probably hate the wasted time. It’s not for everyone.

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dsfyu404ed wrote: post #106
govg wrote: post #94

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I think the idea is that you use the superchargers as part of a meal stop that you would make with an ordinary car anyway. If you stop every X km with a regular car for breaks, and Tesla's network ensures you can always find a supercharger in these steps, you can stop, eat / refresh yourself and by the time you're done your car will be ready to make the next leg.

When was the last time you saw a supercharger in a fast food or restaurant parking lot? I live in a part of the Northeast where Teslas are very popular but I haven't seen one.

I’ve only recently seen a Supercharger that wasn’t (it had a passable gas station next to it, but that’s one level worse than a fast food).

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coding123 wrote: post #58
leesec wrote: post #48

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The pleasure of driving for me does not come from making thousands of micro-adjustments constantly, in fact that's what makes a road trip exhausting. Autopilot reduces the stress and decision fatigue.

I don't get this. Isn't it nightmarish since no one has any idea when it will veer into some random object?

It doesn’t do that.

And your still driving - you just don’t micromanage trivia (which turns out is pretty exhausting). That increases your cognitive capacity to observe the road ahead at a higher level. You now see things you could have missed when focusing on low-level steering, especially when tired. You notice a weirdly behaving card ahead of time and take over. You see the road is getting a bit more complicated, or congested, ahead and take over. Traffic too heavy for Tesla’s cautions lane changes or overtaking, you take over.

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Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #102
leesec wrote: post #25

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Road trips are a joy with autopilot.

Many other manufacturers have the same functionality that tesla calls autopilot. It is called "lane assist". The car steers itself and keeps inside a lane. Tesla's might be 10%-20% "better" in terms of which roads it will stay on, but since a human needs to keep attention on it anyways, it is basically same functionality.

Did you actually drive with it or are you just armchair experting?

I don’t need SSD, my hard drive is fast enough. Qi charging is pointless, I just plug it in. 4K HDR is waste of bits. It’s just another lane assist.

It’s upgrading, and then going back, that makes it apparent.

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rootusrootus wrote: post #78
_ph_ wrote: post #51

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The USA prices are always without taxes while European prices usually contain VAT, which can be as high as 20%. On top of that there are import duties at least into EU countries. Most importantly, the deliveries in Europe started with the AWD configurations which start at $50k in the US too.

It's not really practical to include taxes in US prices. Some of us don't pay any additional tax on car purchases.

Some of us don’t pay VAT on business purchases either.

It’s customary in US, and evil genius in EU, where consumer prices must be shown with VAT. It hides the tax (surprisingly many people, even those you would expect to be financially literate, aren’t aware of the sheer amount of it - see any online bitching about Apple’s EU prices).

And that’s how you end up with 19-25% taxation of everything you buy in EU. US sales tax is acutely visible every time you buy something, it’s much harder to increase it, politically.

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1123581321 wrote: post #299
burfog wrote: post #294

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Your "safe lane splitting scenario" is compatible with my scenario, the one where you get squished flat. It's also not OK to snap off my mirror or gouge a groove in my paint. I'm not "drifting into another lane". I'm using the space that is rightfully mine. No, I'm not going to signal. I'm not leaving my lane. The whole lane is mine; it is my safety margin. If a truck on my right gets closer, then I will move left, a…

You responded to a very educational comment with this. You should apply your comments to the other user’s decision-making process. Either one or both of the cars in your example will be giving hints that the gap will close, let alone the trucks. If the motorcyclist is behind you, he will see that something’s wrong. If he’s starting to pass, he will brake. If he’s in the middle of the pass, he will clear before the ga…

I wouldn't call it educational. It was motivated denial.

It was also unfairly presuming that motorcyclists are more alert/careful/skilled than other drivers. This is clearly not the case.

Just a couple months ago, I suddenly had a 4-inch gap on either side. (confirmed by my son in the other front seat) Perhaps the road was badly designed or built, but that happens.

It's 20 feet from one end of my vehicle to the other. Escaping that isn't so easy.

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colejohnson66 wrote: post #272
hcal wrote: post #130

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- are there ever times when there aren’t enough charging stations free due to other Teslas tying them up? It happens. I use them maybe once a month for the last year and I've only had to wait once. It cost me 10 minutes or so. If you're unlucky you might live near a particularly crowded supercharge and have longer waits. I think the vast majority of owners charge at home 90+% of the time. - do you find yourself chatt…

> The chargers are usually near at least a coffee shop if not an entire mall. With the exception of the occasional long trip, I'm usually not staying long. What happens when the car is fully charged and the owner doesn’t come out for hours?

You get a push notification saying that you are charged an ready to go. The app shows estimated time remaining as well.

If the Supercharger is more than 50% occupied, you get charged a per-minute fee after 5 minutes.

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gibolt wrote: post #129
reilly3000 wrote: post #111

Non-Tesla owner here with some questions: - are there ever times when there aren’t enough charging stations free due to other Teslas tying them up? - do you find yourself chatting with fellow Tesla owners while charging? - are the superchargers free to use?

Charging throughput was recently bumped to 150 kW for Model 3 and a bit less for other models. It essentially halves the total time any car stays there, doubling daily capacity. A full station was already rare, this change helps keep pace as demand grows. I've chatted with a few others, helped a few people who were there for the first time go through the process. Everyone is pleasant and generally excited, unlike any…

> S and X get free charging.

Only old ones.

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Post by de_watcher »

Klathmon wrote: post #116
i_am_proteus wrote: post #101

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If you're on a motorcycle in stop-and-go traffic, just keep it in second gear and lane split. Even if it's not legal. If you're in clogged traffic, They can't get you, and you'll see the fuzz before they see you since you'll be overtaking.

I'd just caution against doing this in some areas. A member of a group I used to ride with decided to stop riding when someone opened their door to stop him from splitting in PA. He smacked into the door, was physically okay, but ended up getting charged with something like "illegal lane change", had his insurance prices skyrocket, and decided to stop riding as he had to drive for his job, and he was worried that ano…

Opening the door to harm other person is already on the criminal level. Even if the rider is not respecting traffic regulations.
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