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The Dutch East India Co was richer than Apple, Google, Facebook combined (2017)

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Re: The Dutch East India Co was richer than Apple, Google, Facebook combined (2017)

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Means to escape from bracket of being born in some no-name Belgium city to California, sure. Means of escaping from a savage country no one even knows the name of? Haha, no. Most people that escape from worst countries don't escape on the basis of merit, but luck.

or money/connections/asylum?

Those count as luck, as I said.

Re: The Dutch East India Co was richer than Apple, Google, Facebook combined (2017)

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He just lost 25% of his money.

How was it "his" money?

To explain: My wife founded a startup and owns it. But we both worked really hard in the beginning, and I've lost quite some income as an opportunity. So the value of Amazon if this is the same rightfully to some part belongs to his wife and that part not "his" to lose.

Re: The Dutch East India Co was richer than Apple, Google, Facebook combined (2017)

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The fact that something is 'not a crime' does not mean it can not be obviously wrong.

I don't agree. Why are you so sure that you know what is obviously right and obviously wrong? That is a viewpoint which is both arrogant, and also has no objective grounding to talk about.

Murder, slavery, child molestation... some things are obviously wrong. If you feel that you need a societal framework to determine whether those are wrong or not then there is an ethical issue.

Re: The Dutch East India Co was richer than Apple, Google, Facebook combined (2017)

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It does make you wonder what the inflation-adjusted figures are purported to mean even, given that they result in completely ridiculous results. By contrast, an inflation calculator tells me that $100 one hundred years ago is worth around $2,500 now (so 25X). And according to this article https://www.jstor.org/stable/1820827?seq=1#metadata_info_tab... , a pretty typical wage back then was $0.50 per hour. 25X that is…

Inflation is usually measured as the change over time in the prices of a "representative" basket of goods (and which goods in which proportion is a pretty subjective choice). Over time, the costs of particular goods diverge a lot, especially with respect to wages, and how important those goods are to the economy also varies a lot. The purchasing power of a typical weekly wage in 1800 or 1637 looks very different depe…

Excellent point. So it sounds like the basket of goods wasn't chosen correctly, or not changed often enough to be representative across each time line, or something? Because it simply cannot be a valid result that a typical wage way back then (when standards of living were much lower) is worth millions of dollars today.

Re: The Dutch East India Co was richer than Apple, Google, Facebook combined (2017)

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I don't agree. Why are you so sure that you know what is obviously right and obviously wrong? That is a viewpoint which is both arrogant, and also has no objective grounding to talk about.

Murder, slavery, child molestation... some things are obviously wrong. If you feel that you need a societal framework to determine whether those are wrong or not then there is an ethical issue.

You might find it interesting to read this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ego_and_Its_Own

Re: The Dutch East India Co was richer than Apple, Google, Facebook combined (2017)

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The Mississippi Company was never really worth $6.5T in any meaningful sense. Unlike Dutch East India, Mississippi was purely a speculative bubble. It only hit that value for a few weeks at the end before the whole thing imploded.

South sea company too. That said, you could make a similar case about apple. If you measure by dividends, I think the VOC's lead over all those companies grows by a lot.

Apple's value isn't just dividends. They have literally hundreds of billions in cash, about 25% of their market cap. They have vast other assets, both material and otherwise (the brand alone is worth real money). Their revenue is over $300B per year, and net profit is nearly $100B. And they post numbers like this year after year. Apple's value is real and obvious, and given the liquidity and sustained numbers, it's also correct. There's no bubble component at all.
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