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Re: EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content

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Post by akerro »

mchannon wrote: post #38

Not quite my circus, not quite my monkeys, but I wonder if it's possible to fight fire with fire. Could a committed group of individuals report the most pernicious EU politicians' homepages and facebook pages as similarly banned content? Looks like the firehose has overwhelmed whatever inadequate safeguards they originally had in place.

A few weeks ago there was a case in Poland where a party that strongly supported article 11 and 13 was using copyrighted pictures and banners made by a small artist. The news was big in Poland, the party was notified, but they ignored the case, voted for art 11/13 anyway.

Re: EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content

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Post by akerro »

wongarsu wrote: post #81
ascendantlogic wrote: post #13

Politicians do not care about the ramifications of this. They only care about granting themselves power over who sees what when through the guise of combating hate speech, terrorism, child porn, etc. Posting a blog about this will change nothing.

It's the voters will that allows them to use the guise of comabting hate speech, terrorism, child porn etc. Blogging about the negative repercussions of this behaviour help inform the opinions of voters and is exactly what you should do in a democracy.

EU population does not feel the EU is their government, therefore they don't vote in the elections, therefore effectively leaving that government to do what it wants.

Re: EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content

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Post by mk89 »

deogeo wrote: post #18
jdietrich wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a path that pre-dates the EU. We're a crowded continent with a huge amount of diversity and a long and bitter history of war. We have learned through bitter experience that, while free speech is a precious right, it is also an extremely dangerous one in the wrong circumstances. Germans in particular are acutely aware of the disastrous consequences of allowing incitement to go unchallenged. Free speech is not unc…

Some of us have also learned that censorship can mean censorship of pacifist and anti-war speech: https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/censorship... I'm sure sympathizing or trying to understand a terrorist's motives (perhaps their home country is being occupied by the US?) can fit under the terrorist content umbrella. Edit: Let's not leave unaddressed the farcical idea that Europe prior to World War I w…

Brilliant!

Censorship is a technique used by any person in power so far in history (at least as far as I know), no matter the government type.

It has little to do with the "fear of committing the same mistakes as they did years ago".

Re: EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content

#154

Post by omnimus »

mchannon wrote: post #38

Not quite my circus, not quite my monkeys, but I wonder if it's possible to fight fire with fire. Could a committed group of individuals report the most pernicious EU politicians' homepages and facebook pages as similarly banned content? Looks like the firehose has overwhelmed whatever inadequate safeguards they originally had in place.

I think this might be good idea. Now i only have to find out which politicians voted for this and where to submit/report their content.

Re: EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content

#155

Post by krageon »

akerro wrote: post #152
wongarsu wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the voters will that allows them to use the guise of comabting hate speech, terrorism, child porn etc. Blogging about the negative repercussions of this behaviour help inform the opinions of voters and is exactly what you should do in a democracy.

EU population does not feel the EU is their government, therefore they don't vote in the elections, therefore effectively leaving that government to do what it wants.

The EU is a large and diverse place, implying that there is such a thing as an "EU population" and that you can judge them as a group is not a good way to start a cohesive argument.

Re: EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content

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Post by [deleted] »

filoleg wrote: post #66
_Schizotypy wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia banned drug information? What sort of information, like pharmacology?

It is implied that the parent comment was talking about illegal drugs. Interesting side fact: unlike in english, there are two completely distinct words for illegal and legal drugs in russian language. Which a lot of times makes it easier to spot russian-speaking posters, as they tend to refer to illegal drugs as just "drugs", while referring to legal ones using other more specific terms, like "pills" or something el…

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Re: EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content

#157

Post by krageon »

akerro wrote: post #151
mchannon wrote: post #38

Not quite my circus, not quite my monkeys, but I wonder if it's possible to fight fire with fire. Could a committed group of individuals report the most pernicious EU politicians' homepages and facebook pages as similarly banned content? Looks like the firehose has overwhelmed whatever inadequate safeguards they originally had in place.

A few weeks ago there was a case in Poland where a party that strongly supported article 11 and 13 was using copyrighted pictures and banners made by a small artist. The news was big in Poland, the party was notified, but they ignored the case, voted for art 11/13 anyway.

Those articles are immaterial (although they are a little ironic) in this case, because what you are describing was already not allowed. Thankfully a small artist doesn't need media exposure in this case, this is what courts are for.

Re: EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content

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Post by honzzz »

oarsinsync wrote: post #149
w1nst0nsm1th wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we’re still a long way before we reach the excess of Russia regarding free speech et subordination of democratic values.

Spain banned speech critical of the government several years ago, and several people have been jailed already. At least one person has been jailed over a tweet. Europe isn’t one big whole, parts of it are already obviously worse than others.

> Spain banned speech critical of the government

Could you please provide some reference? I seriously doubt that what you said is correct.

Re: EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content

#159

Post by spanxx »

oarsinsync wrote: post #149
w1nst0nsm1th wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we’re still a long way before we reach the excess of Russia regarding free speech et subordination of democratic values.

Spain banned speech critical of the government several years ago, and several people have been jailed already. At least one person has been jailed over a tweet. Europe isn’t one big whole, parts of it are already obviously worse than others.

Please, provide a source.

When Pedro Sánchez (current Spanish Prime Minister) PhD thesis was discovered to be an alleged forgery or when allegedly used an official plane for personal matters there was plenty of content criticizing h directly.

Re: EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content

#160

Post by gdy »

stcredzero wrote: post #83
deogeo wrote: post #10

A clever circumvention of innocent until proven guilty - make disobedience carry huge legal risk. You must obey orders (takedown 'requests'), not backed by any court. If you fail, and one turns out to be legitimate, you get punished. Imagine if you had to stop doing business with anyone reported as a thief (but not convicted).

The ability to smear through accusation, without proof, without due process, and without the presumption of innocence has always been the province of tyrants in power and the tool of would-be tyrants trying to gain power. Those who accuse and un-person are the villains throughout history. In the past, people were smeared as sexually loose, as belonging to the "wrong" religion, or as having the "wrong" sexual orientat…

"The ability to smear through accusation, without proof, without due process, and without the presumption of innocence has always been the province of tyrants in power and the tool of would-be tyrants trying to gain power. Those who accuse and un-person are the villains throughout history."

You are being pretty harsh on #metoo and #believeher, aren't you?

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