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The Urgent Quest for Slower, Better News

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Re: The Urgent Quest for Slower, Better News

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> A common and agreed upon standard definition of news. This is inherently political. > A common and agreed upon standard definition of journalism / journalist. This is also political. > Transparency and full disclosure about what is news (objective) and what is op-ed (subjective). This is also political. Ultimately, accepting that news is political and rejecting the idea of objective or unbiased reporting is the onl…

Agreeing that relevance and importance are important isn't political. Nor is journalism. Nor is transparency. We can't make everything "political" simply because we lack the will and wherewithal to approach it otherwise. The willingness to give "political" that much importance is simply another symptom of the problem. We're lower expectations i instead of raising them. We're rasing to the bottom, for what? To look "p…

Can we agree that the Fourth Estate's most important role in society is to report on politics and the powerful?

Journalism may not be politics, but reporting on how politics affects people (and even other nations) is journalism's highest purpose. But it's impossible to completely "cover" all aspects of all politics and be 100% unbiased. Therefore, the most important part of journalism is inherently political.

Facing that reality, we can view journalism with a cautious eye. This is critically important for all journalism, actually, as stories are constantly published that mis-state problems, inaccurately describe complex issues, or just blatantly disregard an important detail of a story. These micro-occlusions of information add up to a twisted view of reality for the reader. I think politics is just one of the many ways we should seek to accept and understand the bias in the news.

Re: The Urgent Quest for Slower, Better News

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I see a number of comments celebrating the choice to live in a bubble uninformed and blissfully unaware of local and global events. Admittedly, a number of news sources are quite bad at actually reporting the news. But there still are quite a number of news organizations and news reporters that take their roles seriously. You can find them, that is if you are actually interested in being informed. I'm sure there's so…

> I see a number of comments celebrating the choice to live in a bubble uninformed and blissfully unaware of local and global events.

I'm pretty sure my being aware of local and global events, plus voting, plus demonstrating, plus organizing, plus god knows how much time arguing politics on the Internet has done... pretty much nothing at all. I've quit all of it (except the arguing on the Internet part, naturally).

Almost none of the news is important, because it's not effectively actionable (for most people). It's fine if you like the news as entertainment. It's not fine to look down on people for not liking the entertainment you do.

As for ignorance, if you want to be an informed voter/activist/whatever then very little of your information diet should be news. Most of it should be books.

Re: The Urgent Quest for Slower, Better News

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> And some of it may not affect you directly but affects people in the communities you live in. A Supreme Court nominee had allegations of sexual assault and gambling problems brought against him. Regardless of what you believe, it behooves you to be aware that this is happening. If the accusations were true don’t you want to know? It affects the women in your life to have someone like that be given a lifelong appoin…

I understand your frustration, but I think this logic is easily exploited. Part of democracy is keeping our elected officials in check. If we mentally check out whenever they put on a circus show, we’re rewarding bad behavior.

I see it more as by paying attention to the circus you’re rewarding bad behavior (circus creation). Being immune to the histrionics makes it harder to be exploited.

Re: The Urgent Quest for Slower, Better News

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There is a lot of bad stuff going on all over all the time. Focus is what's important. There are billions of people on this earth. You could cry at hundreds of stories every day if they were told in great enough detail. Those stories could be embellished or made up, paid for by someone with an agenda to promote and you wouldn't know the difference. Save your outrage for things you have first hand knowledge of or know…

>There is a lot of bad stuff going on all over all the time. Focus is what's important. I mean starting with people who are in close proximity to you seems like an important thing. Especially given the abundance of food and capital we have? And the fact that our government implicitly relies on voters making informed choices to elect representatives that can then practically the address issues you know/care about? >Sa…

>God, give me grace to accept with serenity, the things that cannot be changed, Courage to change the things which should be changed, and the Wisdom to distinguish the one from the other.

I think this is a case of these people realizing that they cannot change the world in such a way to solve each and every problem that is presented to them in the news. As such, they choose to focus on their own personal lives and they people they come across in their day to day lives.

I hope this helps. It's not that they just don't care, it's that caring is damaging their psyche and performance. They've learned it's healthier to tune most of that noise out.

Re: The Urgent Quest for Slower, Better News

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Unfortunately this is one of those things where if 99 media companies agree and one doesn’t, all the attention will go to the one that claims to have the latest “scoop”. The story will be completely undeveloped, half the stuff they say will eventually be proven wrong but they will get all the views. And therefore, gradually, the other 99 would follow suit to stay in business.

As long as money/advertising is so lucrative when so much trash is funneled so quickly, this will be a problem. We pretty much have to find a way for companies to gain as much money some other way, e.g. “I’m a billionaire, I will give half a billion dollars to the station that wins a quality journalism award”.

If you’re an individual and not a media company, waiting awhile for the full developed story is definitely better.

Heck, waiting awhile and unplugging works for lots of things. For instance, if you can convince yourself to ignore a hot new TV show for a year (so that it’s “new to you” a year from now), it’ll probably be cheaper; and, you can benefit from average ratings and other info to tell you if the show/season turned out to be not worth watching at all.

Re: The Urgent Quest for Slower, Better News

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News has been turned into an entertainment-sport where they make sure that there are always two opposing sides. It's manipulated by a few into giving you enough information to be outraged and inflamed but not informed. You can be on the right or the left it does not matter. What matters for the news business is that you get fed enough information so that you continue to watch and they make a profit.

The heads of the news channels are ex-entertainment heads who make sure that people continue to watch by feeding people more outrage.

The best thing people can do is stop reading and watching the news on a daily basis. Most of the news that is reported is useless since there is no substance to it and will disappear without any impact relatively fast. I believe that if it's important you'll hear about it eventually.

"Slower better news" will never happen since it's not in the interest of the news business to create it. We have to be the ones that need to stop consuming it and figure out how to stay informed without being manipulated.

Re: The Urgent Quest for Slower, Better News

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I stopped reading the news about a year ago. I felt like my emotions were being manipulated by a sharply-honed system built precisely to invoke outrage and draw you in to read more and more of it. I've been able to direct my focus and energy to much more productive tasks since I disconnected. Of course I entirely missed that whole Supreme Court thing until after it was over, and I have no idea what people around me a…

It needs to be pointed out that this is an option that originates from privilege. Ignoring the news means ignoring politics. Ignoring politics is tacit support of the status quo. The status quo does not put everyone on equal footing. Disadvantaged people would therefore suffer more from disengaging with the news than people of privilege.

Re: The Urgent Quest for Slower, Better News

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post #157

I stopped reading the news about a year ago. I felt like my emotions were being manipulated by a sharply-honed system built precisely to invoke outrage and draw you in to read more and more of it. I've been able to direct my focus and energy to much more productive tasks since I disconnected. Of course I entirely missed that whole Supreme Court thing until after it was over, and I have no idea what people around me a…

It needs to be pointed out that this is an option that originates from privilege. Ignoring the news means ignoring politics. Ignoring politics is tacit support of the status quo. The status quo does not put everyone on equal footing. Disadvantaged people would therefore suffer more from disengaging with the news than people of privilege.

Why is ignoring media tacit support of the status quo?

Re: The Urgent Quest for Slower, Better News

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This is a good point. However, I think the major difference is the proportion of the content that is "outrage porn". I would argue that HN has a notably lower proportion.

Just took a look at my main "Go to", the BBC. It's difficult to tell, because the front page of BBC has so many more articles on it than the front page of HN, but the "outrage porn" proportion seems about equal to me. Right around 1/4 or 1/5 of the articles I would classify that way. Seems about the same as HN. Just for context, at the moment on HN, I'd say these are the "news"-y and "outrage porn"-y posts on the fro…

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Re: The Urgent Quest for Slower, Better News

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post #158
post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It needs to be pointed out that this is an option that originates from privilege. Ignoring the news means ignoring politics. Ignoring politics is tacit support of the status quo. The status quo does not put everyone on equal footing. Disadvantaged people would therefore suffer more from disengaging with the news than people of privilege.

Why is ignoring media tacit support of the status quo?

how else do you make an informed vote?
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