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The Urgent Quest for Slower, Better News

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Re: The Urgent Quest for Slower, Better News

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The use of smartphones has demonstrated, I believe, that people will blindly chase their dopamine hits coming from a variety of formats because it is ingrained in human nature. The dopamine reward pathway gives a good feeling and people are naturally inclined to follow the path of least resistance to more hits. If an organization or app tries to fight this, then people will simply use it less. The way this has been r…

> Sunlight is the best disinfectant, after all. So, I had never heard this phrase until maybe a year or so ago. Now it seems like (on this site particularly) someone parrots this exact sentence in any thread at all related to news and/or social media. Where is this coming from? Especially since it is... Emphatically untrue. It's just another one of those turns of phrase that asks you to believe it purely because it's…

Especially since it is... Emphatically untrue.

Citation?

As far as I can see, people like the KKK and other White Supremacists have been and still are thoroughly discredited. The only countervailing force to that in 2019 is outrage driven media, produced by other extremist counterparts. If one's business is based on outrage, then you want an enemy to play off of, to generate a vicious circle of outrage and reaction and counter-reaction.

Do most people actually think of the "Ok" hand sign as a Nazi signal? Absent the media spamming this idea, I highly doubt this would ever have been considered anything more than a stupid joke by the mainstream. The reason it spreads, is precisely because it acts perfectly as viral outrage clickbait.

Also, the counterparts on the Far Left also seem to demonstrate the truth of this, through their use of smearing tactics and de-platforming. If anything, they seem to fear the disinfecting qualities of sunlight, the most!

Re: The Urgent Quest for Slower, Better News

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It struck me today: are URLs the only kind of "viral" anybody considers to be good? I'm not talking about dormant viruses or symbiotes or whatever, but viruses in general seem to generally have been a problem for humans throughout history (or at least since their discovery).

Re: The Urgent Quest for Slower, Better News

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post #58

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Honest question, how do you turn off your empathy for the suffering of your fellow countrymen? Which is what ignoring their plight would require (at least, it would for me).

There is a lot of bad stuff going on all over all the time. Focus is what's important. There are billions of people on this earth. You could cry at hundreds of stories every day if they were told in great enough detail. Those stories could be embellished or made up, paid for by someone with an agenda to promote and you wouldn't know the difference. Save your outrage for things you have first hand knowledge of or know…

>There is a lot of bad stuff going on all over all the time. Focus is what's important.

I mean starting with people who are in close proximity to you seems like an important thing. Especially given the abundance of food and capital we have? And the fact that our government implicitly relies on voters making informed choices to elect representatives that can then practically the address issues you know/care about?

>Save your outrage for things you have first hand knowledge of or knowledge of through trusted contacts.

I mean, that's what news organizations are. And we even used to have regulations governing them to ensure they could be trusted.

>The world did ok before 24/7 news

Well we're talking about slower news. Not no news. And certainly not 24/7 news. Because this article is about slowing things down. And the world wasn't really okay for the longest time.

All in all your post is "I'm fine, so shit happens." Kind of crappy.

Re: The Urgent Quest for Slower, Better News

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> The problem in 2019, is that people are trying to do end-runs around Freedom of Speech not through argument, but through reputation smearing and de-platforming. This is absolutely not a new phenomenon. "Red scare" anyone? Free speech has never protected an individual from social consequences only government/state consequences. We probably agree that it's not a good thing, but it's definitely not new nor has it ever…

Free speech has never protected an individual from social consequences only government/state consequences. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_v._Alabama Jewish people being excluded from clubs is one example of "social consequences." Women being excluded from the clubs other executives attended was another.

Sure. I see how you are using "free speech". I was just objecting to your conceit that this is somehow a new thing which you clearly, with your examples, realize is not true. A misreading on my part I think.

Re: The Urgent Quest for Slower, Better News

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I stopped reading the news about a year ago. I felt like my emotions were being manipulated by a sharply-honed system built precisely to invoke outrage and draw you in to read more and more of it. I've been able to direct my focus and energy to much more productive tasks since I disconnected. Of course I entirely missed that whole Supreme Court thing until after it was over, and I have no idea what people around me a…

Did the same thing about 4 years ago and haven’t looked back. I find though that a lot of people are actually offended by it since I have no clue what thing they and everyone else is outraged about. I get accused of not caring, being disengaged, blah blah blah. It’s difficult to explain to people who are still deep in outrage mode, so I mostly avoid taking about it. My life is so much better since cutting out the new…

I prefer to think about how I can positively impact people around me and my local community

Given that, isn't (local) news still relevant?

Re: The Urgent Quest for Slower, Better News

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These links discuss "news diets" as a counter to the problem of news as low-quality information and/or information pollution: http://www.raptitude.com/2016/12/five-things-you-notice-when... . http://www.dobelli.com/en/essays/news-diet/ And here's a similar recent discussion on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19084099

Your dobelli link is 404 :( anyway, this whole problem isn’t new but it’s very hard to solve. How to stay informed but not bloated? I don’t know... here they compare mainstream news to fast food so I guess that’s one way to look at it: https://thecontext.net/opinion/2017/04/4/the-post-truth-and-...

Re: The Urgent Quest for Slower, Better News

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I see a number of comments celebrating the choice to live in a bubble uninformed and blissfully unaware of local and global events. Admittedly, a number of news sources are quite bad at actually reporting the news. But there still are quite a number of news organizations and news reporters that take their roles seriously. You can find them, that is if you are actually interested in being informed.

I'm sure there's some virtue signalling going on here, similar to the "I don't watch TV" from years ago. It just strikes me as odd that people will gloat about their ignorance, on HN of all places.

Re: The Urgent Quest for Slower, Better News

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The article and the comments express the desire for news to be an effective tool to inform and educate the public. While appealing, this idea has never worked in the past, and there's no evidence that it can work in the near future. The reason is not that the media or the journalists do something wrong. Rather, the vast majority of the public is simply not interested in being educated or informed. You can send the be…

>It's unclear to me how anything can be done to counteract those tendencies

Compulsory education. Started like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_education_system#Driv...

Re: The Urgent Quest for Slower, Better News

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post #58

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Did the same thing about 4 years ago and haven’t looked back. I find though that a lot of people are actually offended by it since I have no clue what thing they and everyone else is outraged about. I get accused of not caring, being disengaged, blah blah blah. It’s difficult to explain to people who are still deep in outrage mode, so I mostly avoid taking about it. My life is so much better since cutting out the new…

Honest question, how do you turn off your empathy for the suffering of your fellow countrymen? Which is what ignoring their plight would require (at least, it would for me).

Um, how does watching news help anyone’s plight, precisely?
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