How do we push back on these agencies for their obvious flawed process?
You don't. The indirection designed into the EU to isolate the government from the governed is deliberate and there is no recourse.
EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content
41–50 of 222 posts
Re: EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a path that pre-dates the EU. We're a crowded continent with a huge amount of diversity and a long and bitter history of war. We have learned through bitter experience that, while free speech is a precious right, it is also an extremely dangerous one in the wrong circumstances. Germans in particular are acutely aware of the disastrous consequences of allowing incitement to go unchallenged. Free speech is not unc…
Wasn’t the problem exactly that the government had too much control over the information flow and the general narrative?
It didn't start out that way. It started with conspiracy theorists and fake news.
Re: EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a path that pre-dates the EU. We're a crowded continent with a huge amount of diversity and a long and bitter history of war. We have learned through bitter experience that, while free speech is a precious right, it is also an extremely dangerous one in the wrong circumstances. Germans in particular are acutely aware of the disastrous consequences of allowing incitement to go unchallenged. Free speech is not unc…
You're being disingenuous. Nazi Germany's rise to power was a composite of many different factors. You make it seem as though free speech was the sole cause of its ascendance.
"enabling" and "causing" aren't the same thing.
Re: EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content
#44Politicians do not care about the ramifications of this. They only care about granting themselves power over who sees what when through the guise of combating hate speech, terrorism, child porn, etc. Posting a blog about this will change nothing.
[deleted]
Re: EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content
#45Politicians do not care about the ramifications of this. They only care about granting themselves power over who sees what when through the guise of combating hate speech, terrorism, child porn, etc. Posting a blog about this will change nothing.
It’s really hopeless each time one realizes how French and German politicians perceive the internet. For them the internet is not synonymous with the freedom of creativity and expression, but with the freedom to restrain and to control.
Haha, well said.
Re: EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content
#46Reporting things falsely as a terrorist action IS a terrorist action!!!!!!
Re: EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content
#47It's very sad to see the path the EU has chosen to follow in regards to speech and the free flow of ideas.
It's a path that pre-dates the EU. We're a crowded continent with a huge amount of diversity and a long and bitter history of war. We have learned through bitter experience that, while free speech is a precious right, it is also an extremely dangerous one in the wrong circumstances. Germans in particular are acutely aware of the disastrous consequences of allowing incitement to go unchallenged. Free speech is not unc…
European nations have indeed drawn the line in a different places for historical reasons, however that place is most definitely not the same for all nations. It wouldn't make sense for that to be the case as a line drawn for historical reasons must therefore depend on the countries history which is vastly different for each and every country.
I reckon on the whole people have fought more to protect free speech than to limit it, although both have indeed occurred, fascism being the main example of the latter.
Re: EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
We don’t push back on the process, we push back on the principle. The point of the principle of free speech is not that all speech is beneficial but that we can’t possibly trust any agency with the power to decide what is and isn’t. The “process” probably has no more flaws than any other process designed and implemented by mortals, it just goes to demonstrate why the whole censor-the-internet idea is wrong.
Where do you stand on falsely claiming "fire" in a crowded movie theater?
This has always struck me as a weird sort of edge case, because the hypothetical situation is pretty disconnected from all the other situations where people might seek restrictions on free speech that it doesn’t really matter which way I go.
If I say that yes, I suppose we can carve out some sort of exception for people who directly cause harm to life and limb by falsely proclaiming the existence of immediate dangers in crowded areas, then this doesn’t seem like a slippery slope — I am not forced to then admit we should also start censoring anything else outside that very narrow category.
If, on the other hand, I say that free speech should apply even to those shouting fire in a crowded theatre, am I worried that this is going to suddenly become a major danger? Are psychopathic pranksters going to start causing fatal stampedes at every opening night? No, because it’s not something that actually happens; anyone shouting fire in a crowded theatre would probably just get shushed and escorted out by ushers; at worst they’d provoke an orderly evacuation through the plentiful emergency exits that theatres tend to have nowadays.
So I guess I’ll go for the second option — refuse to carve out the exception and accept the risk of the occasional unnecessary evacuation.
There are other small and well established edge-case restrictions on free speech I am willing to accept, mind you, eg market manipulation or giving false statements to police. But I don’t see the classic fire-in-theatre one as being relevant to anything.
Re: EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content
#49FAKE NEWS!
Fact check FALSE!
Re: EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content
#50The EU is a nightmare. Once the UK leaves and people see they are doing better it’s going to start a procession of other countries out the door. Too many regulations and red tape like this make doing business in the EU difficult. I am slightly annoyed every time a cookie banner blocks my view on a website. To think some person in Belgium decided that was a good idea and now everyone online has to deal with it is dist…
I don't think that in the best of terms the UK not being part of the EU would be beneficial to the UK - the way Brexit is happening is definitely going to hoop them though. They are taking an antagonistic stance against all their major trading partners and to continue to do business with them they'll end up needing to follow those regulations anyways.
I am unaware of major cases of regulatory capture in the EU governance and most regulation proceeding this has been well intentioned - if the cookie banner is annoying then tell your the site to stop tracking you.