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Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Interesting that Switzerland has $57k per capita income vs $54k in the USA, but the model 3 is probably 2x the cost of the US best selling car. I assume the variance in Switzerland income is allot smaller than the US, thus more residents can afford the car.

As discussed in this thread, they delivered 1 year of pre-orders in a single month, thereby topping the charts. It remains to be seen what sales figures will be like the next few months. This may just be another case of bad statistics.

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Non-Tesla owner here with some questions: - are there ever times when there aren’t enough charging stations free due to other Teslas tying them up? - do you find yourself chatting with fellow Tesla owners while charging? - are the superchargers free to use?

- are there ever times when there aren’t enough charging stations free due to other Teslas tying them up? It happens. I use them maybe once a month for the last year and I've only had to wait once. It cost me 10 minutes or so. If you're unlucky you might live near a particularly crowded supercharge and have longer waits. I think the vast majority of owners charge at home 90+% of the time. - do you find yourself chatt…

> The chargers are usually near at least a coffee shop if not an entire mall. With the exception of the occasional long trip, I'm usually not staying long.

What happens when the car is fully charged and the owner doesn’t come out for hours?

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A Mercedes E class won't get totaled if you get into a fender bender.

But how much will be broken or worn out after three years of service? Germans don't engineer for reliability.

I mean, if we're going to debase the level of argument down to national origin, since when does American manufacturing have a reputation for quality and reliability?

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To an extent what jacquesm is saying, is true. Here is the long-term USD vs Swiss Franc from 1971 to 2011: https://i.imgur.com/vANpWK2.png The Swiss have benefitted from maintaing a sound fiscal house and associated currency, over time. The US, much of Western Europe and Japan have been busy debasing themselves with enormous financial mistakes over the last several decades. You can see two disastrous dollar periods i…

>* The Swiss have benefitted from maintaing a sound fiscal house and associated currency, over time. The US, much of Western Europe and Japan have been busy debasing themselves with enormous financial mistakes over the last several decades.* No, these other countries are all industrial producers (and Switzerland isn't), therefore profiting from low exchange rates.

No, Switzerland is in fact a large industrial producer and exporter given its economic size. Their goods exports as a share of their economy are larger than the US for example.

Switzerland: "About 74% of Swiss GDP is generated by the service sector and 25% by industry. The contribution from the agricultural sector is less than 1%." [1]

By contrast, nearly 80% of the US economy is service sector based.[2] Japan is around 70% for its service sector as a share of its economy. Switzerland isn't far off of Japan.

The typical high-income nation has 74% of its economy comprised of the service sector, which is exactly where Switzerland is.

Exports (including services) account for nearly half of Switzerland's economy. Just one industrial good export, packaged medicaments, as a share of their total GDP (5.1%) is nearly equal to all combined US exports (including service exports) as a share of the US economy (all US exports are 5.8% of the US economy).[3] Switzerland is very clearly an industrial economy as well as a service econonomy.

[1] https://www.eda.admin.ch/aboutswitzerland/en/home/wirtschaft...

[2] https://www2.deloitte.com/insights/us/en/economy/issues-by-t...

[3] https://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/che/

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Are there any problem on long trips if it is to some event that is drawing a lot of people? A couple years ago, when I was planning a trip to the middle of some rural area to see a total solar eclipse, I checkout out of curiosity what the electric charger situation was to see what the trip would be like in an EV. At the time the Tesla network was sparse enough in that area that you'd need to get pretty full charges t…

If you stay overnight, any power outlet will be good enough to charge your EV.

Unfortunately, it's not true. On a standard (US) home outlet (120volts), you charge a Model 3 at about 5 miles of range per hour. So, if I get home from dinner after work at 8:00pm, and have to leave for the office at 7:00am the next morning, my car only adds about 55 miles worth of charge.

As an example, I went for a longer drive on Saturday, and it took 37 hours to charge at home (right through Monday morning.)

(I live in a place where I'm currently unable to install a high-capacity charging outlet.)

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It is not incredibly rare. Many people from the Netherlands drive to Austria and Italy for vacation.

Yes yes, lot of people do everything. The question is whether or not something you do once every two years (my educated guess based on that kind of trip frequency per net passenger car -- and I live in the western US!) is a critical requirement for a passenger vehicle to be driven every day. There are all sorts of things your car can't do that "many" other people do. All I'm saying is stop the nonsense that pretends…

I don't know when you last tried to engage in winter sports and public transport, but to carry all that equipment to and from public transport is a lot of work. Even with Ubers at either end of the train, it's still a lot of work shifting all the bags.

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There are a lot of conversations about road trips in a Tesla. I have a Model S and have done a few. I honestly believe that is indeed an increased hassle to stop for Supercharging every few hours. I have done it a few times, and these days mostly take my ICE vehicle for long road trips. But, having said, my long road trips (> 250miles) are once in every 3-4 months. And my daily driving is, well, daily. And this where Tesla blows everything else out of the water. Convenience of Autopilot, Home charging, carpool access, a 21st century UI, constantly improving features. 100x better than my ICE vehicle, and I will choose Tesla every time, even with the drawbacks of long road trips.

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The difference is that the base model EXISTS in the other stores. The $35k model 3 doesn't exist yet. But Mr. Musk has been touting that number for the past 3 years anyway. Its not common practice to tout a number for a mythical, non-existent car.

Having higher shipping times (or other inconveniences) on cheaper/base models is also pretty common in car sales tactics to help with the upsell.

the point is that a $35k model 3 has never been built. It is literal vaporware. They have to design and build a new line of cheapo cloth seats for it, which they haven't. 0 have been sold.

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I'd like a tesla but not comfortable with their data policy. If tesla provides a way to opt out I may consider a base model 3 in the future.

What exactly is their data policy that makes you uncomfortable? How does it compare with the mandatory "eCall" system that all new cars in Europe must have (SIM card and microphone that the car user(s) have no control over)?

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I am bit conflicted about the opinion on long road trips is because now I cant think of any other car other than Tesla for Long Road Trips because 1. Auto Pilot takes so much stress away. For starters consider it as ADAS 2. Never had problem with charging where i live. 10 to 20 minute stop for another 4 hrs drive in average. I did a long road trip from San Diego to Breckenridge more than 2000 miles (round trip) and n…

> Auto Pilot takes so much stress away. Except for the spontaneous brake checking. That's like waiting for someone to hit the "zap them" button. Got me most recently coming across a bridge. Sigh.

I might have faced this once in last year. And lot of feedback on 2019.8.5 seems fixed this issue if you are facing it
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