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Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by claudiulodro »

user5994461 wrote: post #162
claudiulodro wrote: post #46

Interesting that WordPress is the most dreaded tech every single year for the last 3+ years, yet WP "market share" is increasing every single year (it's now powering 1/3 of the web). Is it a disconnect between developers and non-developers? Is it just that developers don't like to work on "boring" tech, and working on WP is not a super-great resume builder? Curious to hear what people think.

Wordpress sites are easily done without any development work. There are many platforms providing ready to use wordpress sites, with nice themes and common needs covered. It is not targeted toward developers at all. Comparing wordpress and developers, is a bit like comparing how many people like tyres (everybody got some on their car) to how many people enjoy making tyres for a living (not a very common activity).

That makes sense. Good analogy!

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by brianpgordon »

longstation wrote: post #179
binarytox1n wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is likely because more front end developers are younger/less experienced. While more expensive/older developers prefer backend work and are compensated more highly because of their experience.

Is there any reason older/more senior developer prefers backend than full stack or front end?

My gueses:

* Frontend engineering is a newer discipline than backend engineering.

* Frontend engineering is the first thing you run into as a kid. You interact with technology through the web browser. I learned HTML 4 when I was 11 because I wanted to make web pages. It wasn't until much later that I moved to backend engineering. It's just not as visible.

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

eigenspace wrote: post #178
Pfhreak wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll engage on this, assuming these questions were asked in good faith. > should I get to tell them they can't say I'm hairy/bearded (despite that being obviously true)? You can say, "I'd rather you not refer to me/define me by my beard." Do they have to respect that? Of course not. Does not respecting that mean that they are now knowingly violating a boundary you've specifically asked them to respect? Yep. Sure does…

I don't really have anything to add here but I just wanted to say I appreciate your tact and attitude. Especially online, it's very easy to just assume bad faith when responding to something like that, but I think the internet would be a much better place if people were more likely to keep cool and stay civil even in the face of comments which they suspect to be in bad faith.

It seems impossible to ask questions on some subjects here (on HN, I don't really use other mass fora); which makes it very hard to learn the scope of someone's position. 'Assume good faith' has to be the basis of online discussion -- I'm really not sure what's wrong with the questions.

>"in the face of comments which they suspect to be in bad faith" //

I asked two questions and avoided making comments (other than to set the basis for the second question. People often don't appear to read questions as questions.

It's like if someone said "So, do you just not like static typing?" and the responders appear to think the person said "dynamic typing is crap and you're crap if you like it" when in fact they're just interested in someone's rationale for avoiding statically typed languages.

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

Pfhreak wrote: post #167
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #165

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Couple of questions if I may. Do you think you have a right to dictate others use of pronouns, or maybe that they're wrong to use a pronoun that matches your sex (as it appears to them, whether that's factual it counter-factual)? I have a beard, and people always comment on it but I'd rather they not define me by it (honestly, I'm not making this up) - it's hair that grows on me, that's it - should I get to tell them…

I'll engage on this, assuming these questions were asked in good faith. > should I get to tell them they can't say I'm hairy/bearded (despite that being obviously true)? You can say, "I'd rather you not refer to me/define me by my beard." Do they have to respect that? Of course not. Does not respecting that mean that they are now knowingly violating a boundary you've specifically asked them to respect? Yep. Sure does…

Thanks, that's a very helpful response.

It's curious to me how you say "my pronouns are".

I go to a group where the other adults are mostly always mums or other older women. The leaders almost always refer to the group as "mums", but I just accept it assuming they're not being exclusionary -- I guess that's my choice though. Funnily one of my children has started calling me mummy, which is a little weird to me but not at all disconcerting.

As I reflect on that, I wonder; you say you feel disrespected when called by a pronoun that's contrary to your preference (presumably only if you've already requested the person address you differently), as if it's an insult. Surely it's just an element of language combined with your outer appearance. If you feel being called by the pronoun of one sex or the other (or either) to be disrespecting, that would seem to imply you feel people who are correctly identified by those terms are some how lesser? Perhaps "disrespected" is the wrong term, or my understanding of it is wrong. I guess if you call me "the bearded lady" but it's not malicious, then it's not disrespecting (for me, from my perspective; I'm not trying to tell you how to feel, obviously).

I guess I still don't really get why a strangers pronoun usage matters?

One last aside, if you could do away with gendered pronouns altogether, would that be better/worse? I guess you can't identify as neutrally pronouned if there's no gendering of pronouns?? (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_neutrality_in_genderl...).

>I give people a lot of latitude. //

Blessed are the peacemakers, thanks for sharing.

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by abledon »

andy_adams wrote: post #93
dajohnson89 wrote: post #72

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Calling yourself old at 32 doesn't really help the problem of ageism.

According to the developer survey, I'm in the upper 50% in years of experience. I know I'm not old by any reasonable metric (it was mildly a joke), but relative to the industry I'm above-average in age, which is wild but true.

more young people are also likely to engage in online surveys, since they've grown up with this type of stuff.

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by hintymad »

andy_adams wrote: post #3

Can someone help this old (2^5 years) developer out? I've worked with a number of programming languages over the years, and have never found a combination that brings me such joy and productivity as Ruby and Rails. However, I've always felt that Python and Ruby were very similar in style & goal. Can someone who is experienced in both Rails & Django explain why Python & Django are trending up so quickly, while Ruby &…

Maybe language does not matter that much in many cases. Modern languages have become so good that I don't find myself wrestling with them very often. When it comes to the point that I do need to fight my programming languages, well, let's just say there are way more serious stuff for me to worry about first, like system designs, algorithms, underlying platforms, ecosystems, and team dynamics. Really, language is the least concern at certain point of your career.

Or maybe great engineers just pick whatever that suits their job, and create amazing things. After all, Guido uses Python, Katz uses Ruby, Linus uses C, Odersky uses Scala, Jeff Dean uses C++, and the list goes on.

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by golergka »

Dumblydorr wrote: post #91

Can someone explain why rust is so beloved? Also I work in R primarily, I find it funny that love and dread are both near 50%.

For me, it's because it combines the perfomance of a low-level langauge with convenience of high-level statically typed functionally-oriented language.

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by 59nadir »

kyoob wrote: post #43

Odd that Perl isn't mentioned anywhere, good or bad, in these results. It's usually at least in there among the Most Dreaded. Was it not listed as an option this year?

As far as I can remember it wasn't available as an option, no. Nor was Haskell, Common Lisp and a host of other languages.

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by conradfr »

Madeindjs wrote: post #166
nunodonato wrote: post #35

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In what way is it better than other frameworks, like Laravel?

`rails generate scaffolf products name:string` generate models, views, controller, migration and even controller tests. I dit not seen this anywhere outside Rails.

You can do that with the Symfony console, Phoenix mix tasks and I would guess a lot of other frameworks.
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