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Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by chillee »

VSCode has seriously dominated these lists since its release in 2016.

Overall:

2016: 7.2%

2017: N/A

2018: 34.9%

2019: 50.7%

Web: 2016: Unranked

2017: 24.0%

2018: 38.7%

2019: 55.6%

Mobile:

2017: N/A

2018: 36.6%

2019: 53.8%

Sysadmin/Devops:

2017: 22.4%

2018: 36.5%

2019: 55.2%

Of particular note, in 2019, VSCode is actually more popular than Vim among sysadmin/devops, and is a mere 0.4% less popular than Android Studio among mobile developers.

It seems like it's mostly been gobbling market from its competitors: Sublime Text (peak of 31.0% in 2016 down to 23.4% in 2019) and Atom (peak of 20.0% in Web in 2017 down to 12.7% in 2019), although its possible their decline is circumstantial.

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by umvi »

mlthoughts2018 wrote: post #111
umvi wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally find non-private settings where you can easily collaborate with other developers more productive. When I am alone in an office, there is a higher temptation to waste time on reddit/youtube and I am less likely to talk to other developers outside of IM apps. But when I'm in an open office/lab environment I find I'm more likely to stay on task and also more likely to get unstuck on something thanks to clos…

You occupy such an extreme minority among knowledge workers that, as a matter of default policy, your view has to be discounted in favor of privacy and quiet conditions. However, it’s easy enough for employers to provide both private & quiet offices and separate areas for constant collaboration and ambient chatter, allowing people to choose which type of area they want their primary workspace to be located in.

> However, it’s easy enough for employers to provide both private & quiet offices and separate areas for constant collaboration and ambient chatter

To clarify: this is my situation. I have an office and an open lab in which to work. Usually I eat lunch in my office but find myself working in the lab most of the day because of the perceived increased productivity

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by l9k »

jedberg wrote: post #120

> Do Developers Need to Become Managers to Make More Money? 50% said no. I think this is naive. We've had this discussion on HN before. Companies pay lip service to the idea that they have parallel tracks for management and engineering, but the reality of it is that it takes far more success to move up the engineering ladder. You can be one of the very best engineers in your company, or one of many hundreds of senior…

This also depends on the country and its work culture.

For instance, a senior engineer can be valued and respected internally, and paid accordingly in the US. In a country like France, where technical talent means little (except for very rare and niche skills), engineers usually transition early to managing positions if they can.

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by longstation »

Just curious, for the salary section, could someone explain why the salary for frontend role is lower the full stack role which is then lower than the backend role?

I personally really like doing front end (Vue/React etc) work but when I saw this salary gap, I feel like that I need to reconsider my career path.

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by binarytox1n »

longstation wrote: post #174

Just curious, for the salary section, could someone explain why the salary for frontend role is lower the full stack role which is then lower than the backend role? I personally really like doing front end (Vue/React etc) work but when I saw this salary gap, I feel like that I need to reconsider my career path.

This is likely because more front end developers are younger/less experienced. While more expensive/older developers prefer backend work and are compensated more highly because of their experience.

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by adventured »

ksec wrote: post #90

1. I don't quite understand why people love Rust. I have nothing against it but I just don't quite get why the love . I viewed it as Modern C++ with Memory Management done right from Engineering perspective and elegant syntax with package management done right from the beginning. And may be just my circle or reading list, many Rubyist jumped to Rust, and more often after trying a few times and clicked, they felt in l…

> 8. Am I correct to assume those Salaries exclude any Stock grant? Which is common in US?

The listed salaries should exclude stock options, healthcare, 401k matching, et al. It would be very unusual to have a compensation component in a survey of this sort and include those items.

> 10. Financial and banking - 8.9%, are the third in respondent's industry. I am a little surprise how many people are working in that field.

It's actively being trimmed down these days[1], however consider someone like Goldman Sachs: 36,000 employees with about $36 billion in sales. A sizable employee base for their sales; $1m in sales per employee isn't too bloated of course. Citigroup has $65b in sales, with 200,000 employees, $307k per employee. JP Morgan does $104b in sales with 256,000 employees, $406k per employee. I wouldn't be surprised if the banker to tech employee ratio increases persistently (in favor of tech workers) at financial firms for the next two decades or so.

Visa is king at being slim however. It recently became worth more ($346 billion market cap) than any bank around the world, including all the US majors. $20b in sales, $10b in profit, with just 17,000 employees (the profit to employee ratio is particularly wild). Facebook approximately matches Visa on the profit to employee ratio (slight advantage).

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-04-09/societ...

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by [deleted] »

binarytox1n wrote: post #175
longstation wrote: post #174

Just curious, for the salary section, could someone explain why the salary for frontend role is lower the full stack role which is then lower than the backend role? I personally really like doing front end (Vue/React etc) work but when I saw this salary gap, I feel like that I need to reconsider my career path.

This is likely because more front end developers are younger/less experienced. While more expensive/older developers prefer backend work and are compensated more highly because of their experience.

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Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by eigenspace »

Pfhreak wrote: post #167
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couple of questions if I may. Do you think you have a right to dictate others use of pronouns, or maybe that they're wrong to use a pronoun that matches your sex (as it appears to them, whether that's factual it counter-factual)? I have a beard, and people always comment on it but I'd rather they not define me by it (honestly, I'm not making this up) - it's hair that grows on me, that's it - should I get to tell them…

I'll engage on this, assuming these questions were asked in good faith. > should I get to tell them they can't say I'm hairy/bearded (despite that being obviously true)? You can say, "I'd rather you not refer to me/define me by my beard." Do they have to respect that? Of course not. Does not respecting that mean that they are now knowingly violating a boundary you've specifically asked them to respect? Yep. Sure does…

I don't really have anything to add here but I just wanted to say I appreciate your tact and attitude.

Especially online, it's very easy to just assume bad faith when responding to something like that, but I think the internet would be a much better place if people were more likely to keep cool and stay civil even in the face of comments which they suspect to be in bad faith.

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by longstation »

binarytox1n wrote: post #175
longstation wrote: post #174

Just curious, for the salary section, could someone explain why the salary for frontend role is lower the full stack role which is then lower than the backend role? I personally really like doing front end (Vue/React etc) work but when I saw this salary gap, I feel like that I need to reconsider my career path.

This is likely because more front end developers are younger/less experienced. While more expensive/older developers prefer backend work and are compensated more highly because of their experience.

Is there any reason older/more senior developer prefers backend than full stack or front end?

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by ChrisRR »

fj39dkf wrote: post #140
ChrisRR wrote: post #58

As with every year, take these result with a massive pinch of salt. The results are heavily weighted by students and young developers who are way more likely to chase the latest trends and buzzwords

The survey provides specific numbers on this, no need for the pinch of salt: 41% of respondents have fewer than 5 years of professional experience, and 68% have fewer than 10. A better question is whether or not this experience distribution is representative of all software engineers. It almost certainly isn't, because it's only surveying "people who respond to stack overflow surveys", but it's hard to know how diffe…

I know they're stated, that's where I got the info from!

Unfortunately every year people start taking the results from these and jumping to conclusions, like practically everyone is a full-stack, Node JS developer who contributes to open source 7 days a week. We know that's not true but it doesn't stop article after article every year claiming things like that.

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