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Reborn 3: Desktop browser with Web 3, faster VPN and ad blocker

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Re: Reborn 3: Desktop browser with Web 3, faster VPN and ad blocker

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Post by Shaddox »

thefounder wrote: post #79
bitcoinbutter wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crypto in this case is also being used as an authentication / password replacement system. Signing with your wallet address proves you are a specific person. So that alone is a great reason to include the wallet.

>> Signing with your wallet address proves you are a specific person. So that alone is a great reason to include the wallet. No, it doesn't. It just proves that you own/hold a private key. You need to build an identity protocol on top of that if you want to prove that you are a specific person/organization. Such protocols have been around for quite some time before crypto currencies. It's just they don't have a good…

Can you name a few such protocols?

Your statement makes me very curious because as far as I'm aware, key distribution is the core problem of asymmetric cryptography. I can generate a private key and say I'm you, and there's nothing stopping me from doing that.

The only solution I'm aware of so far is DNSSec which starts from the operating system level.

Re: Reborn 3: Desktop browser with Web 3, faster VPN and ad blocker

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Post by [deleted] »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #102
martin_a wrote: post #90

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Cryptocurrencies and Blockchain technology has no use whatsoever. It's all made up with fictionary scenarios where any already existing and well-established technology would do just as good or even better. Don't put that snake oil in my browser, please. Thanks.

Cryptocurrencies have all kinds of uses, people actually use them. From countries with hyperinflation, to ridiculous civil forfeiture, to PayPal freezing large amounts for no reason. And it's my favorite method of payment, so easy. So don't speak for everyone.

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Re: Reborn 3: Desktop browser with Web 3, faster VPN and ad blocker

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Post by thefounder »

cslarson wrote: post #107
thefounder wrote: post #9

Crypto's main issue is not the UX. It's the volatility and costs(i.e merchants pay less for the same crypto). Until these two issues are fixed it makes no sense to use crypto payments unless you are denied access to mainstream payment networks(visa/mastercard). The VPN should be integrated at the OS level not browser level.

You are equating crypto with payment but it's really moved on from that. The blockchain space really about competing with Ethereum to provide a decentralised platform for applications - what some people term as web3.

I was not aware web 3.0 is a thing yet. Is there any "killer" web 3.0 app? From what I've seen most are small crypto currency apps or web 2.0 apps with a crypto payment/token component. Is IPFS considered Web 3.0 as well?

Re: Reborn 3: Desktop browser with Web 3, faster VPN and ad blocker

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Post by shadofx »

Yoric wrote: post #120
krageon wrote: post #17

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I think in terms of track records there isn't a huge difference between a Chinese-owned and a US-owned company. If you're already searching outside that sphere of influence, that makes you a huge outlier. Assuming that you are not, I think putting just the focus on the nationality here is maybe not a strong argument in any direction.

I'm not sure why this was downvoted. US companies have been caught regularly adding backdoors to products sold abroad (from the top of my head, I seem to remember IBM admitting the charges, Microsoft being caught red-handed, etc.) Last November, Emmanuel Macron gave a big speech about the fact that the EU cannot rely anymore on the US as an ally for cyberdefense, because the US spent so much effort spying on the EU (…

Not like there's a lack of open source web browsers. Why go specifically for the closed source Chinese-owned browser that asks for your crypto keys and provides a "free" "VPN"?

Re: Reborn 3: Desktop browser with Web 3, faster VPN and ad blocker

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Post by woah »

sharperguy wrote: post #82

I don't like the term Web3 and I think a lot of people using the it are basically pushing snake oil. However, I really like the idea of eventually having client-side decrypted data, and censorship-resistant "torrent-like" distributed content. Whether cryptocurrencies must play a role in this or not remains to be seen.

Having the ability for users to pay granularly for their use of web infrastructure is a key requirement if we want to transition away from a model where big corporations with dubious motives pay for web infrastructure.

Re: Reborn 3: Desktop browser with Web 3, faster VPN and ad blocker

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Post by lmkg »

jadar wrote: post #103

How is any of this new? I mean it's cool, but we already have most of those features with Firefox and extensions.

I don't use Nu-Opera, but when I used classic Opera the main selling point for me was not needing extensions. I have neither the time nor the expertise to curate extensions and stay up to date with new browser trends. Built-in features mean that I'm only trusting one entity rather than entrusting my privacy to a half-dozen individuals or small teams, it means that there is a stronger guarantee of maintenance and not breaking, there is a stronger guarantee of inter-op, and when something breaks I have one place to complain to rather than wondering if it's an obscure interaction between three pieces of quasi-independent software. The overall experience was much more seamless than what it would take to collect the equivalent set of feature into Firefox.

... the "trusting one entity" was a big part of the sell for me originally, and it a big part of the reason not to use Opera anymore. The company was purchase by a Chinese investment firm, which I'm a little light on details but seem to recall them being heavily invested in advertising.

Re: Reborn 3: Desktop browser with Web 3, faster VPN and ad blocker

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Post by jccalhoun »

fabricexpert wrote: post #22

> free and unlimited browser VPN How can they do this for free?

while they may end up monitoring you I think the most direct reason is that it is a feature they hope will attract new users and that they will use search referrals to make money like other browsers use.

Re: Reborn 3: Desktop browser with Web 3, faster VPN and ad blocker

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Post by lmkg »

dao- wrote: post #108
throwaway2048 wrote: post #76

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You might be interested in Vivaldi, a chromium fork made by some of the same people that originally made opera. https://vivaldi.com/

It's not a Chromium fork, it basically is Chromium with a custom UI and stuff added on top.

So, in other words... it's a Chromium fork.

It's not a Blink fork, if that's what you mean. They built a new browser, using the HTML & JS engines from Chromium. The rest of the browser is different. As a user, I consider the HTML & JS to be commodities, and everything else to be the salient aspects that I look at when choosing between browsers.

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