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Lisp developer walks away with Google AI contest

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Re: Lisp developer walks away with Google AI contest

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"You can win 6, 12 or 24 months of membership to AiGameDev.com PREMIUM if you place third, second and first in the contest respectively. We'll also provide any single person team that ranks higher than our official bot three months of AiGameDev.com PLUS — our brand-new part of the site that launched last week." he must be excited. until google puts out non-trivial problem sets and offers non-trivial prizes i'll save…

Meh, it's worth quite a bit to have that on your resume.

Re: Lisp developer walks away with Google AI contest

#32
Lisp was clearly a fine tool for this kind of challenge, but the programmer was, as usual, the important piece of the solution. Otherwise I'll expect to have some other of the 33 lisp based entries in the top spot (the second lisp entry is ranked at the #280 spot: http://ai-contest.com/language_profile.php?lang=Lisp).

What about the top ten solutions? http://ai-contest.com/rankings.php

  4 Java 
  3 C++
  2 C#
  1 Lisp
So is Java the real king of the AI challenge? ;-)

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Re: Lisp developer walks away with Google AI contest

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post #5

I know at least a few people who had bots written in/were prepared to write bots in Clojure. They didn't end up adding support for it, however. I still can't wait for the next contest—wouldn't Pentarow be cool? Or Pente? Anyway, cheers to Waterloo for putting this on again!

You should beware not to be too enthusiastic, because this year's organizers were pretty aggressive when I politely asked (over PM) if there was any specific problem with adding Clojure. I still don't know what the problem was.

Re: Lisp developer walks away with Google AI contest

#34

A better title: "3 Time Winner of Computer Games Olympiad Wins Yet Another Contest".

Can't believe this Reddit quality comment is getting any upvotes. Google AI Challenge is "Yet Another Contest"? Though you may not be surprised, he is, http://quotenil.com/Planet-Wars-Post-Mortem.html/ .

His expression of surprise is a reference to the winners post-mortem last round. http://www.a1k0n.net/blah/

Re: Lisp developer walks away with Google AI contest

#36
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't believe this Reddit quality comment is getting any upvotes. Google AI Challenge is "Yet Another Contest"? Though you may not be surprised, he is, http://quotenil.com/Planet-Wars-Post-Mortem.html/ .

The point is that he won because he's a great programmer, not because he used Lisp.

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Re: Lisp developer walks away with Google AI contest

#37
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Bocsimako is the proof that Lisp is best for AI algorithms Cargo cultism at its finest

It seems that any positive inclination towards lisp is cargo cultism. Gabor Melis is a seriously smart guy, and probably would have kicked ass in any language. That said, I'm going to pull out that phrase next time someone says 'Java/C# is good for Enterprise', or 'C++ is good for video games', or 'C is good for systems programming'. Cargo cultism indeed.

Two things:

1) "X is good for Y" is very much not the same thing as "X is best for Y"

2) One person having great success at something is not a pattern, and doesn't usually prove a general rule (I'm hedging with 'usually' - I can't think of a counter example but I expect someone else will :-). Common usage, while not a guarantee, is at least a good indicator of fitness - if Java were better for systems programming than C, it's likely (though of course not certain) that we would be saying 'Java is best for systems programming', and have some basis for that claim beyond the success of one person who has already demonstrated competence in the same general area (i.e. the contests previous competition wins).

The headline might better have been "Experienced programmer uses Lisp to win Google AI contest". Correlation vs causation - he didn't win because he knew Lisp, but he did use Lisp in his winning solution, and you can understand that without taking a position on Lisp itself; there are shades of fanboism in some of the comments on this thread.

Re: Lisp developer walks away with Google AI contest

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post #19

Bocsimako is the proof that Lisp is best for AI algorithms Cargo cultism at its finest

It seems that any positive inclination towards lisp is cargo cultism. Gabor Melis is a seriously smart guy, and probably would have kicked ass in any language. That said, I'm going to pull out that phrase next time someone says 'Java/C# is good for Enterprise', or 'C++ is good for video games', or 'C is good for systems programming'. Cargo cultism indeed.

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Re: Lisp developer walks away with Google AI contest

#39
post #19

Bocsimako is the proof that Lisp is best for AI algorithms Cargo cultism at its finest

It seems that any positive inclination towards lisp is cargo cultism. Gabor Melis is a seriously smart guy, and probably would have kicked ass in any language. That said, I'm going to pull out that phrase next time someone says 'Java/C# is good for Enterprise', or 'C++ is good for video games', or 'C is good for systems programming'. Cargo cultism indeed.

part of being seriously smart is to use the best tool.

Re: Lisp developer walks away with Google AI contest

#40
Very interesting stuff. Is the source for the various bots posted anywhere? Is it even a requirement that you disclose your source or that it will be made public after the results are published?

I looked around but couldn't find any obvious place to find the source for the bots used.

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