Opera is a Chinese owned company now, right? How safe are you in trusting a Chinese VPN? Maybe slightly better than a VPN operated by Facebook...maybe?
Reborn 3: Desktop browser with Web 3, faster VPN and ad blocker
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#112Opera is owned by Chinese governments. It’s worse than Huawei.
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#113How is any of this new? I mean it's cool, but we already have most of those features with Firefox and extensions.
You can have almost anything through extensions and that doesn’t disqualify built-in alternatives such as this.
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#114Opera is a Chinese owned company now, right? How safe are you in trusting a Chinese VPN? Maybe slightly better than a VPN operated by Facebook...maybe?
XiJinPing is watching you :p
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#115Opera is a Chinese owned company now, right? How safe are you in trusting a Chinese VPN? Maybe slightly better than a VPN operated by Facebook...maybe?
Last time I looked at operas "VPN," it wasn't even a VPN. Just a http/https proxy.
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the same as any non-tech person using a "VPN". They do not care about privacy or anything. So this makes sense.
Please correct me, if I'm wrong. When a non-tech person buys a vpn subscription, she may be provided with a tunneling software, but the key exchange is still happening in the browser. If the site shows a green lock, you can trust the connection to be encrypted, to the extent you trust Mozilla. Also, many vpn providers let you use open source software, like OpenVPN. Opera, however, can ship an installer with a statica…
Mozilla could do the same. That said, I do trust Mozilla quite a bit more.
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#117A company that sold itself to a Chinese consortium for $600M announces a free VPN service. That's some high quality humor.
I would rather the Chinese have my pr0n logs and such than Google / Facebook / NSA
Preferably nobody would have it.
I assume American VPN providers are all gathering data for the NSA. Russians for Russia, China for China.
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#118God I miss Opera 12, Presto and Dragonfly. :(
You might be interested in Vivaldi, a chromium fork made by some of the same people that originally made opera. https://vivaldi.com/
What's the point? That one doesn't have the features from version 12, either.
spatial navigation, bittorrent, author mode, full page indexing for history, mouse gestures, key bindings editing, icons/buttons customisation, cycle show images/cached images/no images, shrink width to fit screen, presentation mode, panelise web page, navigation bar, tab preview pictures, custom icon sets installable from vendor homepage, all menus customisable by editing ini files
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#119Isn't it misleading, to discuss it as a "vpn service"? If you install a binary, that not only controls vpn channel on both sides, but is also a browser, do I understand it right, that it can completely highjack the trust mechanisms, and happily MITM anything you visit? Is there any way to find out if it's really establishing, well, vpn connection (e.g. openVPN or Wireguard), without DPI hardware and corresponding exp…
If you have a malicious browser publisher, you have bigger problems than the networking layer to worry about.
The browser already has access to all your keystrokes and all the data it's displaying to you. In some way, it's a "Man In The Middle" that sits at the UI layer and will be able to sniff anything both ways irrespective of the networking layers.
That password coming from your "secure keychain" (or any other password manager)? It is also visible "in the clear" by the browser. Only challenge-based, out-of-browser authentication methods will keep the browser from seeing your secret, but it'll still be able to snoop your interaction both ways, and make sensitive API calls on your behalf (like transferring money, etc). There are other methods like OTP that also limit the exposure of your secret, but don't protect against the main threat of hijacking an authenticated browser session.
Thankfully some services add another layer of authentication for "sensitive actions", but it's not that common, and it is often weak (for example, sending an SMS with a code). Better than nothing of course.
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#120Two questions : How different is this reskined chrome different than brave if I were to consider using it? Can we still rely on opera and trust them (after their Chinese acquisition)?
I think in terms of track records there isn't a huge difference between a Chinese-owned and a US-owned company. If you're already searching outside that sphere of influence, that makes you a huge outlier. Assuming that you are not, I think putting just the focus on the nationality here is maybe not a strong argument in any direction.
I'm not sure why this was downvoted. US companies have been caught regularly adding backdoors to products sold abroad (from the top of my head, I seem to remember IBM admitting the charges, Microsoft being caught red-handed, etc.)
Last November, Emmanuel Macron gave a big speech about the fact that the EU cannot rely anymore on the US as an ally for cyberdefense, because the US spent so much effort spying on the EU (and regularly getting caught) that it was not even nearly possible.
So yeah, I trust US companies about as much as Chinese companies, which is not much.