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Re: Google features that Microsoft turned off in Chromium Edge

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Post by Piskvorrr » Tue, Apr 09, 2019, 10:27 AM UTC

sequence7 wrote: post #26

skrebbel wrote: post #14

I'm still sad they didn't partner with Firefox instead. It would suit the strategy of The New Microsoft very well to ensure competition in the browser market, and making an Firefox-based Edge plus a Firefox-based Electron clone would've been an amazing way to do that. They've shown competence in embracing, extending, and contributing back to OSS (eg they were instrumental in Nodejs getting to its amazing cross platfo…

I'm sad too but the reality is Firefox is being slowly smothered by Chrome's ubiquity. Only a tiny minority of Web developers test on anything other than Chrome and mobile safari. Firefox is my favourite browser, I use it every day but I often have to work around bugs in websites caused by this lack of testing. I think Microsoft don't have a choice if they want their browser to be popular it has to just work and the…

s/Chrome/IE/;s/Firefox/Navigator/, hello early 2000s again.

Re: Google features that Microsoft turned off in Chromium Edge

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Post by _ZeD_ » Tue, Apr 09, 2019, 10:30 AM UTC

ygra wrote: post #22

realusername wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get it as well, what's the strategy behind that? They just reinforce Google's dominance so one of their main competitor just becomes stronger.

Chromium has been designed to be embedded in other applications. Gecko, as far as I've heard, is a clusterfuck to get working in anything but Firefox.

khtml was designed to be embedded. I don't know about webkit/chromium stuff

Re: Google features that Microsoft turned off in Chromium Edge

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Post by daliusd » Tue, Apr 09, 2019, 10:32 AM UTC

z3t4 wrote: post #16

daliusd wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I use Firefox daily on Ubuntu there are still some pain points that affect me directly * Offscreen canvas. E.g. samples from here do not work for me https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2018/08/offscreen-... * There are two problems with development: 1. Firefox does not catch some exceptions. This problem is fixed in 67 version so I can wait (but I still need to wait). 2. Firefox crashes for me randomly so…

To be fair offscreen canvas is just a few months old and still experimental. But everything that can speed up the canvas is welcome!

It depends how you look at it. E.g. gfx.offscreencanvas.enabled landed in Firefox 4 years ago: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709490

Re: Google features that Microsoft turned off in Chromium Edge

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Post by nounaut » Tue, Apr 09, 2019, 10:36 AM UTC

I particularly enjoy that they've kept the ability to mute single tabs by clicking on the speaker icon on the tab which google recently removed from Chrome and not having to go into the flags settings and switch the "mute site" right-click option to "mute tab".

Feels like a snappier Chrome with better video playback.

Re: Google features that Microsoft turned off in Chromium Edge

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Post by Vinnl » Tue, Apr 09, 2019, 10:36 AM UTC

gnode wrote: post #29

skrebbel wrote: post #14

I'm still sad they didn't partner with Firefox instead. It would suit the strategy of The New Microsoft very well to ensure competition in the browser market, and making an Firefox-based Edge plus a Firefox-based Electron clone would've been an amazing way to do that. They've shown competence in embracing, extending, and contributing back to OSS (eg they were instrumental in Nodejs getting to its amazing cross platfo…

Not even Mozilla like Gecko though, hence their effort to replace it with Servo, and for the time-being to replace components of Gecko with stable Servo components in Firefox (the Quantum project).

They're not actively planning to replace Gecko with Servo, but rather to incorporate improvements from Servo into Gecko.

Re: Google features that Microsoft turned off in Chromium Edge

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Post by Vinnl » Tue, Apr 09, 2019, 10:37 AM UTC

skrebbel wrote: post #14

I'm still sad they didn't partner with Firefox instead. It would suit the strategy of The New Microsoft very well to ensure competition in the browser market, and making an Firefox-based Edge plus a Firefox-based Electron clone would've been an amazing way to do that. They've shown competence in embracing, extending, and contributing back to OSS (eg they were instrumental in Nodejs getting to its amazing cross platfo…

They might just have stayed with Trident then. The problem they're solving with this move is developers not testing in Edge, and Firefox is facing that problem more and more as well.

Re: Google features that Microsoft turned off in Chromium Edge

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Post by Vinnl » Tue, Apr 09, 2019, 10:39 AM UTC

larkeith wrote: post #8

harel wrote: post #2

I wonder if we'll get Edge for Linux then... Considering the shift MS products have gone (VS Code is great!) I would be happy to give it a try.

Out of curiosity, why use Edge over Firefox?

I'd love to be able to run it on my CI server so I can run automated tests on it as well.

Re: Google features that Microsoft turned off in Chromium Edge

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Post by vbezhenar » Tue, Apr 09, 2019, 10:39 AM UTC

giancarlostoro wrote: post #35

pgeorgi wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of those services seem to be target specific: Everything starting with "Chrome OS" aren't part of any chrome build outside Chrome OS. IOS Promotion Service might be https://codereview.chromium.org/2643723004/ , so that's running on iOS and nowhere else. As for its value, that's for somebody else to decide (or everybody for themselves). (Disclosure: working on Chrome OS firmware, which shares approximately no cod…

So when they say they removed these they mean source code wise not just some compiler flag? Thus making it a proper fork that will deviate over time, not some simple Chromium renamed project. So we may or may not see them pull in Chromium changesets depending on needs. My biggest hope is that no matter how much Microsoft changes (Chakra instead of V8 would be very interesting to see) that it will remain fully and pro…

Webkit based on KHTML, component of KDE.

Re: Google features that Microsoft turned off in Chromium Edge

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Post by PedroBatista » Tue, Apr 09, 2019, 10:40 AM UTC

skrebbel wrote: post #14

I'm still sad they didn't partner with Firefox instead. It would suit the strategy of The New Microsoft very well to ensure competition in the browser market, and making an Firefox-based Edge plus a Firefox-based Electron clone would've been an amazing way to do that. They've shown competence in embracing, extending, and contributing back to OSS (eg they were instrumental in Nodejs getting to its amazing cross platfo…

Haha you drank the kool aid didn’t you? :)

Ms just adopted a more pragmatic approach to their business model. They are not a charity or the do-gooders their marketing dept says they are.

Re: Google features that Microsoft turned off in Chromium Edge

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Post by svenfaw » Tue, Apr 09, 2019, 10:41 AM UTC

ygra wrote: post #25

johnchristopher wrote: post #19

Will they do a Chromium edge for mac ? Wait, did MS drop the internet explorer branding ?

IE11 is the last version of IE and came out in 2013. Internet Explorer as a product and brand has been dead for quite a while.

Dead is not quite correct. IE has been put on a permanent feature freeze, but MS has committed to keep releasing security updates for IE11 during Windows 10's entire lifetime. It is also the only browser shipping with the current Server editions. So I would argue that immortal would be a more accurate term.