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Re: Google features that Microsoft turned off in Chromium Edge

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Post by Lammy » Tue, Apr 09, 2019, 10:07 AM UTC

rodgerd wrote: post #20

larkeith wrote: post #8

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Out of curiosity, why use Edge over Firefox?

I am not using a browser that's partnering with CloudFlare, given their huge support for extremist right-wing organisations and sites, and their history of supporting online criminals ( https://krebsonsecurity.com/2016/10/spreading-the-ddos-disea... ).

Conversely, I’d never use a hosting provider I assumed would deplatform me in response to the slightest outrage or corporate coercion. That’s why I’ve been avoiding GoDaddy ever since 2007: https://www.infoworld.com/article/2661752/myspace--godaddy-s...

Re: Google features that Microsoft turned off in Chromium Edge

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Post by sequence7 » Tue, Apr 09, 2019, 10:08 AM UTC

tinus_hn wrote: post #28

sequence7 wrote: post #26

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I'm sad too but the reality is Firefox is being slowly smothered by Chrome's ubiquity. Only a tiny minority of Web developers test on anything other than Chrome and mobile safari. Firefox is my favourite browser, I use it every day but I often have to work around bugs in websites caused by this lack of testing. I think Microsoft don't have a choice if they want their browser to be popular it has to just work and the…

That can change in a heartbeat. It has changed many times before.

Maybe it could if Google didn't own so much of the web and it's surrounding ecosystem. I'm not aware of any challenger to Chrome in the browser space.

Re: Google features that Microsoft turned off in Chromium Edge

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Post by giancarlostoro » Tue, Apr 09, 2019, 10:08 AM UTC

supernes wrote: post #21

I feel bad for Opera, seems they stand to lose the most in this battle of the Chromium forks. They have a really good product that I use as my main driver after being fed up with Safari on macOS, but Microsoft is well poised to deliver a compelling experience across platforms (fingers crossed for Linux support at some point.)

They were bought up by some Chinese firm though and thus a lot of people lost trust in them. Not sure if anybody has done extensive research into what type of telemetry they gather. I would recommend FireFox but I never gave up hope for FireFox so you could consider me a fanboy. However FireFox Quantum has changed a lot of people over to it.

Re: Google features that Microsoft turned off in Chromium Edge

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Post by alien1993 » Tue, Apr 09, 2019, 10:08 AM UTC

daliusd wrote: post #10

larkeith wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, why use Edge over Firefox?

While I use Firefox daily on Ubuntu there are still some pain points that affect me directly * Offscreen canvas. E.g. samples from here do not work for me https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2018/08/offscreen-... * There are two problems with development: 1. Firefox does not catch some exceptions. This problem is fixed in 67 version so I can wait (but I still need to wait). 2. Firefox crashes for me randomly so…

Offscreen canvas is disabled by default on Firefox because it's still experimental, you can enable it though. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/OffscreenCa...

Re: Google features that Microsoft turned off in Chromium Edge

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Post by giancarlostoro » Tue, Apr 09, 2019, 10:12 AM UTC

pgeorgi wrote: post #7

Chico11Kidlet wrote: post #4

Wow what are even some of those services?! "IOS Promotion Service"?! Realised where part of chrome's "memory hog" stereotype may come from...

Some of those services seem to be target specific: Everything starting with "Chrome OS" aren't part of any chrome build outside Chrome OS. IOS Promotion Service might be https://codereview.chromium.org/2643723004/ , so that's running on iOS and nowhere else. As for its value, that's for somebody else to decide (or everybody for themselves). (Disclosure: working on Chrome OS firmware, which shares approximately no cod…

So when they say they removed these they mean source code wise not just some compiler flag? Thus making it a proper fork that will deviate over time, not some simple Chromium renamed project. So we may or may not see them pull in Chromium changesets depending on needs.

My biggest hope is that no matter how much Microsoft changes (Chakra instead of V8 would be very interesting to see) that it will remain fully and properly open source moving forward. I wanted to see the original Edge go this route but at least now they can.

Funny how these are now all browsers derived from work by Apple.

Re: Google features that Microsoft turned off in Chromium Edge

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Post by stevenjohns » Tue, Apr 09, 2019, 10:14 AM UTC

sequence7 wrote: post #32

tinus_hn wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That can change in a heartbeat. It has changed many times before.

Maybe it could if Google didn't own so much of the web and it's surrounding ecosystem. I'm not aware of any challenger to Chrome in the browser space.

It could change via legislation. The more Google owns, the more it’s opened to potential anti-trust drama.

Re: Google features that Microsoft turned off in Chromium Edge

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Post by baud147258 » Tue, Apr 09, 2019, 10:18 AM UTC

rodgerd wrote: post #20

larkeith wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, why use Edge over Firefox?

I am not using a browser that's partnering with CloudFlare, given their huge support for extremist right-wing organisations and sites, and their history of supporting online criminals ( https://krebsonsecurity.com/2016/10/spreading-the-ddos-disea... ).

Cloudfare has removed support of at least one right-wing website. And CF support orgs from all across the board.

Re: Google features that Microsoft turned off in Chromium Edge

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Post by Gikoskos » Tue, Apr 09, 2019, 10:22 AM UTC

sequence7 wrote: post #26

skrebbel wrote: post #14

I'm still sad they didn't partner with Firefox instead. It would suit the strategy of The New Microsoft very well to ensure competition in the browser market, and making an Firefox-based Edge plus a Firefox-based Electron clone would've been an amazing way to do that. They've shown competence in embracing, extending, and contributing back to OSS (eg they were instrumental in Nodejs getting to its amazing cross platfo…

I'm sad too but the reality is Firefox is being slowly smothered by Chrome's ubiquity. Only a tiny minority of Web developers test on anything other than Chrome and mobile safari. Firefox is my favourite browser, I use it every day but I often have to work around bugs in websites caused by this lack of testing. I think Microsoft don't have a choice if they want their browser to be popular it has to just work and the…

> Only a tiny minority of Web developers test on anything other than Chrome and mobile safari

I work in a web dev shop and nearly everyone here uses Firefox as their main dev browser. We do run tests on other browsers as well but we mainly develop with Firefox and its tools.

Although part of the reason could be that we know most of our customers use it instead of Chrome. Don't ask me why, but if I had to venture I'd guess it's because Firefox is quite popular in my country for some reason.

Re: Google features that Microsoft turned off in Chromium Edge

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Post by supernes » Tue, Apr 09, 2019, 10:24 AM UTC

giancarlostoro wrote: post #33

supernes wrote: post #21

I feel bad for Opera, seems they stand to lose the most in this battle of the Chromium forks. They have a really good product that I use as my main driver after being fed up with Safari on macOS, but Microsoft is well poised to deliver a compelling experience across platforms (fingers crossed for Linux support at some point.)

They were bought up by some Chinese firm though and thus a lot of people lost trust in them. Not sure if anybody has done extensive research into what type of telemetry they gather. I would recommend FireFox but I never gave up hope for FireFox so you could consider me a fanboy. However FireFox Quantum has changed a lot of people over to it.

Firefox still has some UX deficiencies on macOS, I do use it on Windows though.

What really turned me off is how long it took them to implement video autoplay blocking. I sent them about four dozen requests, reports and outright pleas, and they didn't even add it to the roadmap until after I had given up hope. They were about two to three years late on that one.

Chromium's dev tools are still ahead by a mile as well, the Performance inspector has saved me days worth of debugging time.

Re: Google features that Microsoft turned off in Chromium Edge

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Post by daliusd » Tue, Apr 09, 2019, 10:27 AM UTC

alien1993 wrote: post #34

daliusd wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I use Firefox daily on Ubuntu there are still some pain points that affect me directly * Offscreen canvas. E.g. samples from here do not work for me https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2018/08/offscreen-... * There are two problems with development: 1. Firefox does not catch some exceptions. This problem is fixed in 67 version so I can wait (but I still need to wait). 2. Firefox crashes for me randomly so…

Offscreen canvas is disabled by default on Firefox because it's still experimental, you can enable it though. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/OffscreenCa...

I know that. Still two problems:

* Samples in the link I have given are still not working even if you enable gfx.offscreencanvas.enabled. Therefore I conclude that this is not working at all.

* As well this is good option for development but Firefox 44 was released in 2016. I think it is safe to assume that Firefox will never release this or at least will not release in acceptable time frame. Most probably we will see messages like this soon "We see you use Firefox. This feature is supported on Chrome, Chromium or Edge browsers. We recommend using one of them if you need this.".