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Re: Survey: 83% of US teens have an iPhone, Android 9%

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Post by coolreader18 »

saagarjha wrote: post #85
coolreader18 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps, but somebody in one of my classes had jailbroken his iPhone and was showing off his fancy home screen, which would have been pretty par for the course for a custom Android home screen, and everybody was oohing and ahhing at how cool it was. Really just anecdotal, but I don't think iPhones are more popular purely because they've considered both options and chosen the one they liked more.

But the jailbroken phone comes with iOS and the custom Android home screen doesn't. I'm not seeing your argument here, unless it's "stock iOS isn't flashy" or "jailbreaking is cool".

> But the jailbroken phone comes with iOS and the custom Android home screen doesn't.

Right, I'm saying that it's not as much about the actual features or capabilities of the phones, but just that iPhones are cooler.

Re: Survey: 83% of US teens have an iPhone, Android 9%

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Post by coolreader18 »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #82
coolreader18 wrote: post #55

As a student at a middle to upper class high school, I can say that it's definitely not about the actual features of iOS vs Android -- it's just a status symbol. People with iPhones are considered slightly "cooler", or at the very least it's more hip to have an iPhone than an Android. Apple's walled garden contributes to its dominance as well, if all your friends are using FaceTime and iMessage, there's not much that…

Which phone do you have?

An Android (Moto Z3), which I chose because I preferred it to an iPhone, and, more recently, because Android is slightly more open-source than iOS.

Re: Survey: 83% of US teens have an iPhone, Android 9%

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Post by delfinom »

btian wrote: post #23
Alex3917 wrote: post #13

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> I honestly can't understand why Google hasn't been able to replicate the success of iMessage. I mean a better question at this point is perhaps why Apple engineering hasn't been able to implement RCS.

Why should Apple implement RCS? All the backend is controlled by Google. All the risks, none of the gains.

No it isn't.

RCS its a open cellular standard thats being deployed worldwide. Google does offer a backend for carriers to use (when you want to push your cloud offerings and have tons of engineers with nothing else to do just like AWS) but it's not required and carriers are rolling their own. The protocol itself is meant for inter-carrier communication and phones.

Re: Survey: 83% of US teens have an iPhone, Android 9%

#104

Post by LMYahooTFY »

coolreader18 wrote: post #55

As a student at a middle to upper class high school, I can say that it's definitely not about the actual features of iOS vs Android -- it's just a status symbol. People with iPhones are considered slightly "cooler", or at the very least it's more hip to have an iPhone than an Android. Apple's walled garden contributes to its dominance as well, if all your friends are using FaceTime and iMessage, there's not much that…

Presumably you meant in your experience, the iPhone vs Android debate among less technically literate peers you've met is sometimes thinly veiled classism?

"the debate" in a general sense certainly is about the software/hardware features and architecture.

Re: Survey: 83% of US teens have an iPhone, Android 9%

#105

Post by coolreader18 »

LMYahooTFY wrote: post #104
coolreader18 wrote: post #55

As a student at a middle to upper class high school, I can say that it's definitely not about the actual features of iOS vs Android -- it's just a status symbol. People with iPhones are considered slightly "cooler", or at the very least it's more hip to have an iPhone than an Android. Apple's walled garden contributes to its dominance as well, if all your friends are using FaceTime and iMessage, there's not much that…

Presumably you meant in your experience, the iPhone vs Android debate among less technically literate peers you've met is sometimes thinly veiled classism? "the debate" in a general sense certainly is about the software/hardware features and architecture.

Correct, I'll make that more clear.

Re: Survey: 83% of US teens have an iPhone, Android 9%

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Post by saagarjha »

otachack wrote: post #99
saagarjha wrote: post #77

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> The experience is much much cleaner than iOS. In what way?

Here are a few IMO: - Less or no unremovable apps introduced by carrier/phone manufacturer - UI parallel to current Android stock trend rather than manufacturer's vision - Updates easier to attain since the manufacturer hurdle is less or non-existent

All of these are true for iOS and have been since its inception.

Re: Survey: 83% of US teens have an iPhone, Android 9%

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Post by koyote »

Nextgrid wrote: post #32
btian wrote: post #18

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Then why is iOS not generally successful outside US?

I am not sure why you don’t consider it successful. Here in London iOS is the default. Android-wise I only see two categories of users: power-users that chose Android for functional or ideological reasons, and budget-constrained users that cant afford or don’t see the value in an iOS device. Both those groups seem to be the minority, just looking around for people on their phones in public places yields a majority of…

Pretty much all of continental Europe (including wealthy countries such as Germany) have iPhone market share at less than 20%; the UK is the outlier there.

Re: Survey: 83% of US teens have an iPhone, Android 9%

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Post by kyriakos »

Nextgrid wrote: post #32
btian wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then why is iOS not generally successful outside US?

I am not sure why you don’t consider it successful. Here in London iOS is the default. Android-wise I only see two categories of users: power-users that chose Android for functional or ideological reasons, and budget-constrained users that cant afford or don’t see the value in an iOS device. Both those groups seem to be the minority, just looking around for people on their phones in public places yields a majority of…

Android is pretty huge in Europe. London could be an exception. Surprising even Chinese brands became popular lately with own physical stores in Western European capitals.

Re: Survey: 83% of US teens have an iPhone, Android 9%

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Post by beatgammit »

khaki54 wrote: post #44

I swear my stepdaughter hates me because I gave her my old Nexus 6P. It's a sweet phone, I don't understand the issue. I don't want to give in and buy her an iPhone, but she had tears in her eyes when I told her $800 wasn't the greatest use of funds.

You're nicer than me. If I had a teenager, I wouldn't buy them a smartphone at all.

In fact, as a teenager, most of my friends had cell phones, but I didn't. And it was completely okay. When I went to college, I purchased my own cell phone and plan, which I paid for with the job I got while going to school. My family wasn't poor, my parents just didn't think I needed a cell phone, and they were right.

I'll probably get my kids a phone when they hit their teens, but it's definitely not going to be top of the line. If they want a fancy phone, they can earn it themselves. It's completely optional at that age, even if they don't think so.

Re: Survey: 83% of US teens have an iPhone, Android 9%

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Post by scarface74 »

coolreader18 wrote: post #55

As a student at a middle to upper class high school, I can say that it's definitely not about the actual features of iOS vs Android -- it's just a status symbol. People with iPhones are considered slightly "cooler", or at the very least it's more hip to have an iPhone than an Android. Apple's walled garden contributes to its dominance as well, if all your friends are using FaceTime and iMessage, there's not much that…

How can something be a “status symbol” that over 50% of people have? People have been saying Apple products are status symbols since the iPod.
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