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Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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Post by odorousrex »

panarky wrote: post #97
wsgeorge wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4chan, despite all its vileness, has convinced me of the necessity to maintain as much unrestrained human freedom in (at least) some quarters of the Internet as is possible. Such freedom seems so essential to Internet culture that, in my opinion, it must be protected.

> 4chan, despite all its vileness, has convinced me of the necessity to maintain as much unrestrained human freedom ... Can you provide an example of something valuable you found on 4chan/8chan that could not be found on a site with less "vileness"?

Minecraft.

Ok admittedly, this was 10 years ago and 4chan was a much different place (as was the internet at large). I was younger and spent a lot of (read: too much) time on 4chan back then.

At the very beginning of Minecraft, before it was even a thing, Notch would post on /v/ about it almost daily - incorporating changes/suggestions/criticisms people would fling at him anonymously and randomly. No one thought it would be huge - it was just fun. And Notch was so receptive.

I can't help but think his current Alt-Right views may have been influenced by his exposure to 4chan, but in those days it wasn't as crazy as it is now.

I have a 4 year old daughter now who LOVES Minecraft. And personally, it's been valuable to me, and I am utterly convinced that had Minecraft not been developed in its earliest days on 4chan, it might not have gotten to where it is today.

*Small shoutout also to Katawa Shojo - also made with lots of input from 4chan, which turned out to be quite a compleling VN game.

What has 4chan done lately that is valuable? That I couldn't tell you.

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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Post by panarky »

odorousrex wrote: post #131
panarky wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 4chan, despite all its vileness, has convinced me of the necessity to maintain as much unrestrained human freedom ... Can you provide an example of something valuable you found on 4chan/8chan that could not be found on a site with less "vileness"?

Minecraft. Ok admittedly, this was 10 years ago and 4chan was a much different place (as was the internet at large). I was younger and spent a lot of (read: too much) time on 4chan back then. At the very beginning of Minecraft, before it was even a thing, Notch would post on /v/ about it almost daily - incorporating changes/suggestions/criticisms people would fling at him anonymously and randomly. No one thought it w…

Is Minecraft something that could not be developed on a site with less "vileness"?

For example, couldn't Notch post on Reddit every day, incorporating changes/suggestions/criticisms people would fling at him anonymously and randomly?

Is there something about 4chan/8chan that is intrinsically better for building Minecraft that isn't available anywhere else?

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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Post by odorousrex »

panarky wrote: post #132
odorousrex wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Minecraft. Ok admittedly, this was 10 years ago and 4chan was a much different place (as was the internet at large). I was younger and spent a lot of (read: too much) time on 4chan back then. At the very beginning of Minecraft, before it was even a thing, Notch would post on /v/ about it almost daily - incorporating changes/suggestions/criticisms people would fling at him anonymously and randomly. No one thought it w…

Is Minecraft something that could not be developed on a site with less "vileness"? For example, couldn't Notch post on Reddit every day, incorporating changes/suggestions/criticisms people would fling at him anonymously and randomly? Is there something about 4chan/8chan that is intrinsically better for building Minecraft that isn't available anywhere else?

It could have, and in fact Notch moved to reddit shortly after Minecraft's "birth" which helped expand it's popularity exponentially. (He went from posting on /v/ 100% to 100% on /r/minecraft over the course of a couple months - memory is hazy)

I'm convinced the initial randomness/anonymous feedback/chaos of that initial period helped grow the spark from the ember that split off of Infiniminer.

There is something creative in the chaos of 4chan - just look a greentexts. 99% of them are absolutely terrible. But the occasional gem catches on and made viral on the larger, less vile sites.

Also, I can't believe I forgot about Caturday. That started on 4chan as well. (also 10+ years ago).

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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Post by bliblah »

Bayart wrote: post #61
supernes wrote: post #59

Can't wait until reddit decides to ban porn as advertiser-unfriendly, à la tumblr. They're heading steadfast in the direction of sanitizing the site until it's nothing but gifs of puppies yawning.

There's something heartwarming about 4chan remaining committed to being absolute cancer.

Unfortunately the design is very much dated and some of the boards are too (Why does /vp/ need to exist when users can easily migrate to /vg/)

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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Post by germinalphrase »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #15
Asooka wrote: post #9

Good. Piracy must be eradicated if culture is to survive.

People passionate about something are much more responsible than actual legal rights holders. Rights holders only do the absolute minimum to preserve the culture they own, countless movies available in the commercial space are the worst quality versions of those movies and people passionate about those movies will go as far as tracking down multiple versions to take the picture quality of one, cut scenes from another…

Is there a keyword for that kind of version improvement?

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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Post by Traster »

zamadatix wrote: post #106
Traster wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems like a direct knock on effect of the ridiculous asymmetry in legal liability. Due to the draconian way the DMCA works all the content platforms have their own informal process. The informal process involves no liability for a false claim so as a result you get this mass claiming. Here's a fun point though - the DMCA is draconian partly because platforms like Youtube enabled mass piracy in order to capture…

The DMCA was passed in 1998, how is a company established in 2005 responsible for the law being draconian? Not even Napster was around in time to influence the DMCA.

People were sharing copyrighted material on Usenet throughout the 90s. Piracy long-predated the DMCA.

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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Post by abrugsch »

mkbkn wrote: post #116
Aromasin wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My Reddit time has dropped to almost 0 with the mass adoption of Discord. Lots of valuable Google Sheets full of resources are pinned in the most niche of Discord servers. It's not an effective swap in many cases, but it's advantages are currently vastly outweighing the disadvantages.

I've considered spending more time on Discord than reddit but finding quality Discord servers is hard. How did you find such valuable servers? Could you guide me.

mostly from within the communities that you wish to follow... for instance the podcasts and youtube channels surrounding $HOBBY might lead you their own server. then once you're in a couple, and get chatting, people mention other servers, or one of the channels will be dedicated to listing similar or related servers. many will be linked/pinned from subreddits too.

what's your interest? I might be able to point you to a few

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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Post by SiempreViernes »

Mirioron wrote: post #129
SiempreViernes wrote: post #90

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The hated copyright directive contains provisions that require the creation of mechanism for challenging wrongful take downs, which if implemented properly would resolve the issue.

Except that it will only apply in the case of a real copyright takedown notice. Platforms don't like dealing with legal disputes, so they will create their own way to send notices of infringement. A platform doesn't have to publish your work, which means that their private solution for takedowns will not be held to that requirement. It's the EU, so the law being divorced from reality is to be expected.

I'm sure you have a very coherent argument for how platforms can do any sensible sort of censorship at all without collaborating with the IP holders, at which point the 17.7 et all would apply.

In the end though, it is the ECJ that will decide if your head canon has any relevance for this topic.

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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Post by mkbkn »

abrugsch wrote: post #138
mkbkn wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've considered spending more time on Discord than reddit but finding quality Discord servers is hard. How did you find such valuable servers? Could you guide me.

mostly from within the communities that you wish to follow... for instance the podcasts and youtube channels surrounding $HOBBY might lead you their own server. then once you're in a couple, and get chatting, people mention other servers, or one of the channels will be dedicated to listing similar or related servers. many will be linked/pinned from subreddits too. what's your interest? I might be able to point you to…

Thanks for the guidance.

Most of my interests revolves around business, masterminds, entrepreneurship, freelancing etc.

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