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Paint Is Colored Glue

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Re: Paint Is Colored Glue

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Some white paint goes an off yellow colour over time, particularly gloss paint.

that is typical of oil paint, due to the way linseed polymerizes.

I couldn't remember whether it was water-based gloss or oil-based gloss that was most affected, so just went for "gloss" - thanks for clarifying :)

Re: Paint Is Colored Glue

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I run a paint production company here in Italy (decorative for interior/exterior house use, and various kinds of high-grade industrial coatings) so this article (not to mention the fact that it somehow climbed it was to the top of the front page) amuses me no end. I've forwarded it to all of my colleagues and they'll all in stitches too. Because basically deep down we know this is the most succinct and relatable desc…

This article is really interesting and I love the insight provided about pigment layering to achieve remarkable effects, however I think what the title says is totally wrong.

Paints are technically coatings and comprise a large and diverse industry of products for wide-ranging applications. Wall paint is very different than artist paint, which is very different than car paint, which is very different than the type of paint you might apply to pipes to prevent corrosion, etc..

Glue is an adhesive, and while the resins used to make adhesives may sometimes be the same resins used to make coatings (Gorilla glue is epoxy-based, and many floor coatings you walk over all day and never think about are epoxy-based as well), the actual products being used -- the can of paint or the stick of glue you buy at the store -- are formulated with resins, pigments, additives, binders, chain-extenders, fillers etc etc, that are specific to the product's unique application.

So basically, paint is not glue. Paints are coatings and glues are adhesives. Sure, paints have to adhere to their substrates, and adhesives must adhere to their sometimes very different substrates as well, but paint and glue are really totally different things. You could say that coatings and adhesives are both formulated polymeric systems, but you miss out on a lot of interesting subtlety that entire industries are based on when you say "paint is glue."

Re: Paint Is Colored Glue

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At least the abstract is more precise: > The secret of oil paint, as mastered by our greatest artists Nevertheless, an interesting read.

The 4th sentence is about watercolor paint: >Watercolor paint does it by drying, releasing water into the air through evaporation and leaving only the pigments on the page. This is not glue.

The binder, gum arabic, is. There's just not much of it.

Re: Paint Is Colored Glue

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> 15 years later, the apartment looks just-painted Curious what you mean? In my experience, new paint coats are needed because of marks left on walls -- accumulated smudges, scuffs, furniture bangs, nicks, filled anchor holes, etc. None of which higher-quality paint has anything to do with... I assume? Am I wrong? Assuming paint is applied correctly in the first place, what are the longevity benefits of using a highe…

A lot of scuffs and smudges can be cleaned off with a magic eraser and some elbow grease. It's certainly easier than re-painting.

Depends on paint sheen (try doing that with flat finish paint - just gonna smear it all over)

Re: Paint Is Colored Glue

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I remember being quite blown away as a 20 year old during a trip to Paris by some of the paintings in the Louvre and the Musée d'Orsay. I had known many of these paintings before, from Wikipedia and school books, but it seems to be impossible to capture the effect of an oil painting in a digital or reproduced image, because, as the article describes, an oil painting is essentially 3-dimensional. (I also distinctly re…

I can highly recommend John Berger's legendary documentary series Ways Of Seeing . The first episode explores precisely this issue - how our perception of painting is affected by reproduction. It has perhaps the most arresting opening scene of any documentary series. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pDE4VX_9Kk

Thank you, that is truly excellent and has spawned a productive rabbit hole exploring topics I've been considering.

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Labor has become more expensive than parts, for many aspects of home repair. We haven't adapted our habits to this. The last time I let my university landlord paint my apartment, it took days to clear the furniture, and I was instructed to do no paint prep. There were peels coming down from the ceiling. The painters exploited this "paint is glue" theory by painting under the peels and pushing them flat. I channeled m…

Ballpark estimate by somebody who operates in the paint industry and has done so for almost fifteen years (albeit what is for you likely a foreign country: Italy). Industry associations estimate that the cost of materiel amounts to between 20% and 30% of the total cost experienced by the homeowner, depending on various factors (interior/exterior, type of finish desired, & cetera ). So roughly three quarters of your “…

My family worked together to install the cabinets in our kitchen, which we then paid to have a granite counter-top on. Yes, there are some unfortunate scratches, but we did a good job.

I would argue that DIY is more equal to assume all risk.

Re: Paint Is Colored Glue

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The texture of oil on canvas is extraordinarily complex and subtle. You would need billions of pixels and polygons and trillions of rays to even begin to capture the heavy impasto of Van Gogh or the coarse diffusion of Bacon.

> You would need billions of pixels and polygons and trillions of rays So give it 5 years, and you'll have it on your phone... If there's one thing I've learned over the decades about computer technology, it's to never say "impossible" or "never"... Eventually, what you once might have thought to be only in the realm of "big and expensive" inevitably becomes "cheap and commodity" in a far shorter time than you expect…

That was one of the rather unexploited features of the Amazon Fire Phone, which I loved for that very reason. Unfortunately, it didn't see much use, but you could take pictures that could capture depth (created by rotation) and it was so cool.

Re: Paint Is Colored Glue

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Labor has become more expensive than parts, for many aspects of home repair. We haven't adapted our habits to this. The last time I let my university landlord paint my apartment, it took days to clear the furniture, and I was instructed to do no paint prep. There were peels coming down from the ceiling. The painters exploited this "paint is glue" theory by painting under the peels and pushing them flat. I channeled m…

Having done both art painting with acrylic and building painting with acrylic-based paints, I don't know that I completely agree that art acrylics are better for wall coating than wall paints. No small part of the higher price for art acrylics vs wall paint acrylics is the pigment density. A blue that looks back into you when you look at it can be entirely appropriate for artistic work. Or, if it's not supposed to be…

Yes, I blended acrylic medium with the densest titanium white I could find in liquid form. I believed that I was delivering more titanium white to my walls than any commercial choice would have yielded.

I avoided the related "designer" question of choosing off-whites. I'm a math professor, and a grad student described these walls as like being "inside a stick of chalk" (Hagoromo, given the choice).

Pure white is a color mirror. Why does that corner look pink? There's a red object in that part of the room.

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