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Turning the Puzzle Sideways: Sleep, Diet and the Brain-Gut Connection

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Re: Turning the Puzzle Sideways: Sleep, Diet and the Brain-Gut Connection

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Post by buzzerbetrayed »

keerthiko wrote: post #27
radiator wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are being told about it, but it is considered old-fashioned. Also, when you are young, the effects of breaking those rules are less severe. But then, gradually and slowly, you are not so young anymore.

It's considered old-fashioned because what we're told about tends to be unsubstantiated pseudo science as often as not, with lots of contradictory advice and weak explanations. I think everyone knows "quality food, exercise and sleep is good for you", but noone knows what that is for everyone. It varies from person to person, circumstance to circumstance, and the effects (good or bad) are hard to observe and correlat…

I think you explained the problem perfectly.

I would pay someone good money if they could just tell me what "quality food, exercise, and sleep is good for you" meant in excruciating detail. If I knew exactly what I could eat and how I could work out to get the most health benefits it would make such a huge difference. Instead I feel like there are a thousand different opinions out there, all backed by a thousand different (and usually flawed) studies. As someone who loves things that are backed by science, it frustrates me that I can't find the "right" answer (at least for the average person).

And maybe the answer is out there but I just don't know where to look. If so, please advise.

Re: Turning the Puzzle Sideways: Sleep, Diet and the Brain-Gut Connection

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Post by mapcars »

_up wrote: post #52
mapcars wrote: post #46

>Foods to Avoid >Fruit: All fruit, except small portions of berries like strawberries >Foods to Eat >Meat: Red meat, steak, ham, sausage, bacon, chicken and turkey Thank you but no, whoever made this diet doesn't know much about healthy food.

You won't find any centenarians that eat vegan. India is one of the countries with the highest diabetes numbers and vegan. Japan, on the other hand, has the most centenarian and they eat basically unprocessed food and low carb.

Why should I be looking for centenarians that eat vegan? I have no idea how you ended up with this from what I wrote.

Re: Turning the Puzzle Sideways: Sleep, Diet and the Brain-Gut Connection

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Post by spraak »

justtopost wrote: post #90
spraak wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Processed carbohydrates will by definition hit you hard. Added oil is also hard. Try intact grains, e.g. rice, quinoa, millet, barley, etc. Even whole wheat bread or pasta will hit harder than boiled wheat grains.

Added oil is just fat, not bad for you. Specifically since op mentioned keto.

But they're not talking about keto if they're eating fries etc. Added oil is not good - in excess fat builds up in the cells and is responsible for insulin resistance. With ketosis this is temporarily staved off, but you will still likely have insulin problems when you go off keto, it doesn't actually fix anything, just offer temporary relief.

Re: Turning the Puzzle Sideways: Sleep, Diet and the Brain-Gut Connection

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Post by foamclutching »

>Amazingly, when the gut microbes from obese mice are transplanted into thin mice, with no change in diet, thin mice become fat!

I couldn't believe this, and I was so thankful for the link! Now I'll watch the Ted video and keep reading the other article.

Re: Turning the Puzzle Sideways: Sleep, Diet and the Brain-Gut Connection

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Post by glastra »

vbtemp wrote: post #116
glastra wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "good'ol'data" approach is useless when the data themselves are useless from the get go. LDL cholesterol is not a predictor, indicator or otherwise relevant measure with regards to disease, at all. If anything, HDL/trig ratio might be.

[Citation Needed] And if you are just an armchair cardiologist and you cherry pick one or two publications that suit this conclusion, well...

That goes both ways.

To be honest, you can bear the burden of proof yourself. If you want to show me I'm wrong, I'm more than willing to review the evidence. Unless of course you're just projecting the whole armchair thing onto others.

Lastly, if you think of it, asking others to prove the irrelevance of LDL with regards to CVD is straight non-sense. Do I also have to prove to you that wearing grey socks doesn't cause disease?

Re: Turning the Puzzle Sideways: Sleep, Diet and the Brain-Gut Connection

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Post by ABCLAW »

_up wrote: post #52
mapcars wrote: post #46

>Foods to Avoid >Fruit: All fruit, except small portions of berries like strawberries >Foods to Eat >Meat: Red meat, steak, ham, sausage, bacon, chicken and turkey Thank you but no, whoever made this diet doesn't know much about healthy food.

You won't find any centenarians that eat vegan. India is one of the countries with the highest diabetes numbers and vegan. Japan, on the other hand, has the most centenarian and they eat basically unprocessed food and low carb.

Blue zones are the 7 areas of the world that disproportionally produce centenarians.

Studies of their diets indicate that almost all of them are primarily vegetarian and they receive the majority of their calories from carbs. Feel free to look into them. Note that the blue zone in Sardenia is a big outlier even within the group.

Re: Turning the Puzzle Sideways: Sleep, Diet and the Brain-Gut Connection

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Post by dredmorbius »

kpU8efre7r wrote: post #118

Kind of unrelated but why are fad diets promoted so much on this site?

Diet is one of several extremely strong social signalling mechanisms.

https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/62uroa/clothin...

Subsequent to writing above, I found, related:

"A Theory of Fads, Fashion, Custom, and Cultural Change as Informational Cascades"

Sushil Bikhchandani, David Hirshleifer, and Ivo Welch University of California, Los Angeles

Abs: An informational cascade occurs when it is optimal for an individual, having observed the actions of those ahead of him, to follow the behavior of the preceding individual without regard to his own information. We argue that localized conformity of behavior and the fragility of mass behaviors can be explained by informational cascades.

Journal of Political Economy, 1992, vol. 100, no. 5

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2138632

http://snap.stanford.edu/class/cs224w-readings/bikhchandani9...

Re: Turning the Puzzle Sideways: Sleep, Diet and the Brain-Gut Connection

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Post by acuozzo »

vbtemp wrote: post #114
semerda wrote: post #41

So much keto talk here yet no one mentions blood markers or LDL (bad cholesterol). What ever happened to good'ol'data approach? It's pretty obvious that altering ones diet can have profound effects. But a scientific approach to diet is a far safer approach. Ever tried to lower your bad cholesterol? So a group of friends who are data obsessed tried keto after another group of friends raved on about it like it was a si…

I cannot upvote your comment enough. Keto is all well and good... until you get your lipid panel checked. We all understand that lab values are not everything, but I don't think _anyone_ who is informed about cardiovascular health would say that over the long term such elevated LDL values are anywhere near healthy... I say this as someone who felt great on a very low carb diet and preached the keto diet for a while.

> Keto is all well and good... until you get your lipid panel checked.

Yeah, I did. Every value was significantly improved across the board after losing the amount of weight I managed to lose on a Ketogenic diet.

Re: Turning the Puzzle Sideways: Sleep, Diet and the Brain-Gut Connection

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Post by acuozzo »

1024core wrote: post #102

As a vegetarian, I was surprised to see beans and legumes in the "foods to avoid" section of the Keto Diet 101 page: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/ketogenic-diet-101 So what are my options?

> So what are my options?

Scroll down a bit further on that page until you hit the "Foods to Eat" section and remove from it anything you refuse to eat.

Re: Turning the Puzzle Sideways: Sleep, Diet and the Brain-Gut Connection

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Post by acuozzo »

mapcars wrote: post #46

>Foods to Avoid >Fruit: All fruit, except small portions of berries like strawberries >Foods to Eat >Meat: Red meat, steak, ham, sausage, bacon, chicken and turkey Thank you but no, whoever made this diet doesn't know much about healthy food.

I'm sure you know so much more than all of the doctors involved in creating it as a treatment for epilepsy.

And, of course, Dr. Atkins. He surely didn't know much about healthy food!

Why not research first before writing a comment containing "whoever made this diet"?

This diet has existed for longer than you have.

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