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Turning the Puzzle Sideways: Sleep, Diet and the Brain-Gut Connection

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Re: Turning the Puzzle Sideways: Sleep, Diet and the Brain-Gut Connection

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Post by dalore »

Aromasin wrote: post #10
iamben wrote: post #2

I've been on a ketogenic diet for a year now and sleep has been the biggest thing. I was a light, restless sleeper and I noticed very quickly how how much better my sleep got. I'd fall asleep quicker and it feels (and tracks) deeper. I don't wake as much, sweat nearly as much when I sleep and wake up feeling far more rested. Sleep aside, I don't sweat nearly as much during the day and I've shaken almost most all the…

I've found with me that, after trying keto for ages and loving how I felt but hating the diet itself, I managed to pin point the issue down to grains. Any form of grain, be it rice, wheat, barley, oats etc, all seemed to mess me up big style. I'n now on a diet of mostly fruit, nuts, beans, seeds and tubers and I'm better than I was on keto on almost every measurable factor. I think cutting out the carbs initially imp…

The thing with fibre and carbs (like in fruits) is that the fibre will line your intestine so you don't absorb the carbs as much, but allows the carbs to pass to the next intestine where the gut bacteria there loves the stuff.

Re: Turning the Puzzle Sideways: Sleep, Diet and the Brain-Gut Connection

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Post by vbtemp »

JanSt wrote: post #48
semerda wrote: post #41

So much keto talk here yet no one mentions blood markers or LDL (bad cholesterol). What ever happened to good'ol'data approach? It's pretty obvious that altering ones diet can have profound effects. But a scientific approach to diet is a far safer approach. Ever tried to lower your bad cholesterol? So a group of friends who are data obsessed tried keto after another group of friends raved on about it like it was a si…

If you want to lower your LDL I'll advice you to eat nothing but white bread with slices of highly processed meat for a week. Will lower your HDL and increase Trigs too, but if LDL is your primary concern: Go for it. Here is the thing: it's not as easy as LDL = BAD. For older people higher LDL is actually protective, for women there seems to be nearly no effect whatsoever. Don't be fooled by simple answers.

Wow, this comment is prime material for https://twitter.com/shit_hn_says !

Re: Turning the Puzzle Sideways: Sleep, Diet and the Brain-Gut Connection

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Post by poink »

randomsearch wrote: post #6
sametmax wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny like eat well, sleep enough and get exercice is getting rediscovered again and again.

I think that is strange. Why aren’t we told this by our family, by our teachers, by society? Probably the most important thing you do to improve your health.

I don't know about you, but my family and teachers were at least as fat as I was. The ones that weren't were more likely to owe that fact to cocaine and/or nicotine than a healthy diet. They could all tell you that you needed to "eat right and exercise" -- to the point that it became a cliche, and I hate saying it to other people for that reason -- but none of them knew how to do those things properly.

Society has all the info you need readily available, but you have to go looking for it (which is trivial in the age of Google and YouTube, but not so much even 20 years ago). Pushing "fat free" Twinkies and other nutritionally-bankrupt "food" is a lot more lucrative than selling broccoli.

Re: Turning the Puzzle Sideways: Sleep, Diet and the Brain-Gut Connection

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Post by vbtemp »

semerda wrote: post #41

So much keto talk here yet no one mentions blood markers or LDL (bad cholesterol). What ever happened to good'ol'data approach? It's pretty obvious that altering ones diet can have profound effects. But a scientific approach to diet is a far safer approach. Ever tried to lower your bad cholesterol? So a group of friends who are data obsessed tried keto after another group of friends raved on about it like it was a si…

I cannot upvote your comment enough.

Keto is all well and good... until you get your lipid panel checked.

We all understand that lab values are not everything, but I don't think _anyone_ who is informed about cardiovascular health would say that over the long term such elevated LDL values are anywhere near healthy...

I say this as someone who felt great on a very low carb diet and preached the keto diet for a while.

Re: Turning the Puzzle Sideways: Sleep, Diet and the Brain-Gut Connection

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Post by rhinoceraptor »

semerda wrote: post #41

So much keto talk here yet no one mentions blood markers or LDL (bad cholesterol). What ever happened to good'ol'data approach? It's pretty obvious that altering ones diet can have profound effects. But a scientific approach to diet is a far safer approach. Ever tried to lower your bad cholesterol? So a group of friends who are data obsessed tried keto after another group of friends raved on about it like it was a si…

If you can do keto and feel amazing and lose weight, but your numbers "look" bad, who cares?

I doubt you'll die sooner, but even if you did, you don't want to spend your life tired and hungry.

Re: Turning the Puzzle Sideways: Sleep, Diet and the Brain-Gut Connection

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Post by vbtemp »

glastra wrote: post #76
semerda wrote: post #41

So much keto talk here yet no one mentions blood markers or LDL (bad cholesterol). What ever happened to good'ol'data approach? It's pretty obvious that altering ones diet can have profound effects. But a scientific approach to diet is a far safer approach. Ever tried to lower your bad cholesterol? So a group of friends who are data obsessed tried keto after another group of friends raved on about it like it was a si…

The "good'ol'data" approach is useless when the data themselves are useless from the get go. LDL cholesterol is not a predictor, indicator or otherwise relevant measure with regards to disease, at all. If anything, HDL/trig ratio might be.

[Citation Needed]

And if you are just an armchair cardiologist and you cherry pick one or two publications that suit this conclusion, well...

Re: Turning the Puzzle Sideways: Sleep, Diet and the Brain-Gut Connection

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Post by rhinoceraptor »

spraak wrote: post #58
JanSt wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to lower your LDL I'll advice you to eat nothing but white bread with slices of highly processed meat for a week. Will lower your HDL and increase Trigs too, but if LDL is your primary concern: Go for it. Here is the thing: it's not as easy as LDL = BAD. For older people higher LDL is actually protective, for women there seems to be nearly no effect whatsoever. Don't be fooled by simple answers.

> For older people higher LDL is actually protective, for women there seems to be nearly no effect whatsoever. Don't be fooled by simple answers. Your last statement is in direct contradiction with all of your previous simple answers. Where is there evidence of the protective effect of LDL?

Like pretty much everything, there's a U shaped curve. Low cholesterol can be bad, just as high cholesterol can be bad.

Plus, it could just be a side effect of something else and we don't actually know what the underlying cause is.

Re: Turning the Puzzle Sideways: Sleep, Diet and the Brain-Gut Connection

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Post by JanSt »

vbtemp wrote: post #112
JanSt wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to lower your LDL I'll advice you to eat nothing but white bread with slices of highly processed meat for a week. Will lower your HDL and increase Trigs too, but if LDL is your primary concern: Go for it. Here is the thing: it's not as easy as LDL = BAD. For older people higher LDL is actually protective, for women there seems to be nearly no effect whatsoever. Don't be fooled by simple answers.

Wow, this comment is prime material for https://twitter.com/shit_hn_says !

Why?

Re: Turning the Puzzle Sideways: Sleep, Diet and the Brain-Gut Connection

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Post by slothtrop »

snarf21 wrote: post #110
slothtrop wrote: post #109

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Whole grains will be packed with protein and fiber, and the refined flours lacking these may lead to blood sugar voodoo when consuming past a certain threshold. Like refined sugar consumption it's though that empty carbs also have a similar effect. I suspect the primary issue with wheat is it's almost never in whole grain form.

I thought it was the lectins in the grains that cause a lot of problems for people.

I don't think that's been substantiated. Legumes, potatoes, tomatoes and some fruit are lectin-rich. Blue-zones diets tend to lean more heavily on legumes. There's the whole gluten thing for wheat and others but it's unclear to me how much of an impact that may have.
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