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Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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Post by klntsky »

laurent123456 wrote: post #31
klntsky wrote: post #26

/r/Piracy owners deserve it. They should've considered such a possibility before allowing their community to grow on a platform they do not control. So they are not "victims", just a bit inconsiderate. And there is no reason to blame reddit, or anyone, for the deletion. They are not obliged to provide their service to anyone.

On the other hand, it's thanks to communities like this one and others that Reddit got where it is today. So not unreasonable to blame them when they change their mind in the name of Ads.

Nope. These communities' owners and participants were basically just doing free work by producing content. But they didn't sign a contract or anything.

> So not unreasonable to blame them when they change their mind in the name of Ads. That change of mind was a part of their business model. Why blaming people for making legal businesses?

The problem is in people who trust "free" services and expect the terms to remain the same forever.

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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Post by Traster »

schrectacular wrote: post #48

It seems like rights holders have realized that carpet bombing is a cheap and "effective" strategy. There are reports ( https://youtu.be/JwG0bQ7WC3c ) of music copyright holders reporting the use of even a single chord in YouTube videos. This strategy appears to be having a chilling effect across multiple platforms. Copyright claims are super easy to make at scale, but the platforms themselves cannot investigate at s…

This seems like a direct knock on effect of the ridiculous asymmetry in legal liability. Due to the draconian way the DMCA works all the content platforms have their own informal process. The informal process involves no liability for a false claim so as a result you get this mass claiming.

Here's a fun point though - the DMCA is draconian partly because platforms like Youtube enabled mass piracy in order to capture market share when they were small. The costs of Youtube's illegal activity early on is now being passed on to their users today.

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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Post by dustindiamond »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #32
mxfh wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Reddit, like Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter," ... "It was a place to form anonymous communities around niche interests" Huh? None of these platforms got established as primarily long tail platforms. They were meant to be potentially big with lowest common denominators (news, aggregation, social connection in education communities) and grow into niches. Niche are topical forums and topical social networks.

Facebook was for students, specifically one or two campuses to begin with. YouTube is in the name, it was a video platform for users to start personal channels of tubing themselves and idk wtf twitter was ever supposed to be.

Twitter was started as any easy way to send group texts via SMS, before phones would widely support group texting.

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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Post by dingaling »

realusername wrote: post #29
johnchristopher wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is a rather strange take considering how large and quality the cultural (music, movies, tv, games, books, art, etc) communities are in the pirating scene. > If anything piracy is essential to the survival of culture. The book pirating scene is poor though. Outside of YA best-sellers and the usual K. Dick and Pratchett there isn't much to pirate if you are into anything not completely maintstream.

You have plenty of private boards with absolutely everything you want.

I think that's a type of self-constructed self-assuring extrapolation. The concept that because the things that one individual wants are available, surely all things for all individuals are available.

Looking at my paper books; Pooley's Flight Guide 1985; FIDO - Flying Through Fog; The Engineering History of the North of Ireland. Just three volumes out of thousands that are slowly slipping into oblivion.

The long tail of the Internet is not long enough to preserve all knowledge, particularly at the rate libraries are discarding old and 'unwanted' books.

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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Post by ehrman »

zcid wrote: post #33
seszett wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're suggesting that Donald Trump has some connection with the bans of controversial subreddits I think you're wrong, since the one big ban of fatpeoplehate, shitniggerssay and a few other controversial subreddits happened in 2015, a full year before Donald Trump's election.

But political subreddits didn't start seeing bans until 2016. Around the same time, the face of the major news subreddits drastically changed as well. I don't know if it was a result of the election, but the timing does seem to consider further consideration of motives.

I think this is the result of anti-propaganda efforts after the election.

https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/827zqc/in_re...

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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Post by dspillett »

If people want the data after this purge is complete, it might be available in resoruces such as those linked from https://www.reddit.com/r/datasets/comments/6lqbsd/downloadin...

Though you may need to do some work to extract what you want from the mass of data, and won't get the latest information.

Re: Reddit's /r/Piracy is deleting almost ten years of history to avoid ban

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Post by klntsky »

schrectacular wrote: post #48

It seems like rights holders have realized that carpet bombing is a cheap and "effective" strategy. There are reports ( https://youtu.be/JwG0bQ7WC3c ) of music copyright holders reporting the use of even a single chord in YouTube videos. This strategy appears to be having a chilling effect across multiple platforms. Copyright claims are super easy to make at scale, but the platforms themselves cannot investigate at s…

Good. The more damage copyright holders do to the public, the more people understand why the idea of owning ideas is stupid.
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