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Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by TeMPOraL »

markdown wrote: post #85

This feels wrong. I created a niche sub that currently has ~10k users, but I consider the members of the community to be as much the "owners" of it as I am. Just as I work to keep spammers and self-promoters at bay, I'd find it pretty scummy to form a startup around the sub and make money out of the contributions of thousands of community members. Separately, I like that at Reddit I know what I get now and very likel…

Yup. Were I a member of that community, I'd feel wronged too.

> Just as I work to keep spammers and self-promoters at bay, I'd find it pretty scummy to form a startup around the sub and make money out of the contributions of thousands of community members.

Exactly. As you said, you may have created a community and technically own the forum, but you're not the community. The community is its own thing, and the founder demanding it move somewhere else so they can monetize it would be no different than an invasion of spammers - just another attempt at profiting off the community.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by vasili111 »

nabla9 wrote: post #131
Sendotsh wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How it appears to me is that people have beliefs that they realize are either unpopular or controversial, and so they use the subreddit to learn what they "should" believe or at least a rationalization for ignoring their true beliefs. A large portion of Reddit in general (especially the front page and popular subreddits) is people making up stories/opinions/content created specifically to illicit as many replies an…

Realistically signal/noise ratio of 0.05 to 0.01 is good enough in open forum comments. It's still possible to scan comments and find the signal from the noise. Usenet was incredible before the eternal September. There was noise, trolls, flame wars and mentally instable people and good and bad moderation decisions, but the good was really good. Party due to the higher quality of the users and from the inability to ma…

Do you know other such high quality comment places as hacker news or early Usernet?

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by skinnymuch »

superkuh wrote: post #10
snazz wrote: post #2

I wonder how much more this will happen with the current controversy surrounding Reddit’s funding and uncertain future. They are doing surprisingly well after a horrid redesign and everything else that’s happened over there.

Reddit is transitioning to a Facebook model to suck up all the users that are hemorrhaging from over there. There's a new concentration on posting to personal profiles, integrating commercial entities (ie, u/washingtonpost) as "users" to blend in their ads seemlessly, and gentrifying to appease these new adertisers that don't want to be next to potentially controversial content. These are all things that don't bother…

Are personal profiles being used? I don’t reddit that much anymore. But they don’t seem to be used much and they’ve been around for some time now.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by slfnflctd »

konart wrote: post #143

>CMV: Asking peopel to stop using the "OK Hand" gesture because racists use it, just gives power to that hand sign and legitimizes the white power movement. Holy crap, some people actually discuss something like this?

Honestly, I don't see what's wrong with that discussion topic. I personally haven't come to a conclusion myself.

On one hand, knowing it's associated with racists makes me hesitate to ever use it. On the other hand, why should I let them change my behavior when a minuscule bit of research would show that I'm clearly not a racist? Like with many such things, it mostly depends on the context, but would be interested in the conversation and not so quick to dismiss it as pointless.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by slfnflctd »

Vinnl wrote: post #132
blueboo wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...but originating from Reddit? There's, ah, voat...

Imgur comes to mind.

What's funniest to me about this is how reddit spent a bunch of money creating their own image hosting service, but somehow imgur is still often the better choice.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by adamrezich »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #149
reaperducer wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Jimmy graduated from college." Not "Jimmy graduated college." See also: "Oil needs to be changed." Not "Oil needs changed." People are afraid of "to be" these days.

> See also: "Oil needs to be changed." Not "Oil needs changed." Correct (I think) alternatives: "Oil needs change", "Oil needs changing".

The oil needs a change

The oil needs to be changed

The oil needs changing

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by diminoten »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #150
diminoten wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The mistake you made was allowing posts at all on Reddit. You should have changed the CSS to point people at lifeprotips.com, and just created submissions for posts on lifeprotips.com.

The mistake was thinking they owned a community. They may have started it, but once grown, the community is its own thing. A successful migration to an external website would require a wide buy-in from the prominent community members, and cannot be done by fiat by whoever technically controls the means of discussion.

Reddit communities aren't the same as in person social communities, they don't have any real structure beyond the moderation class. The "buy in" you're talking about is the fact that this site was built.

I don't think this will "succeed", but not because of anything related to migration; it's just not that good of an idea, from a business standpoint. If they redefine success as something other than growth and user retention, maybe they can create a fake kind of success, but this site will not grow users or any of the things a normal startup looks for when launching a product, and the monetization will never be worth anything of value, but simply because the idea isn't that great.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by colejohnson66 »

vasili111 wrote: post #152
nabla9 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Realistically signal/noise ratio of 0.05 to 0.01 is good enough in open forum comments. It's still possible to scan comments and find the signal from the noise. Usenet was incredible before the eternal September. There was noise, trolls, flame wars and mentally instable people and good and bad moderation decisions, but the good was really good. Party due to the higher quality of the users and from the inability to ma…

Do you know other such high quality comment places as hacker news or early Usernet?

Lobsters, I’d presume, but it’s invite only

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by newen »

darkpuma wrote: post #116
newen wrote: post #114

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4chan style threads with account names might actually be better. You can have really good discussions in imageboards (in the smaller boards) because you don't have a bunch of non-participants butting in with their upvotes and downvotes. Even Metafilter with their very low key favorites "voting system" gives rise to a contest for getting the most favorites.

It's not popular on 4chan, but there are other smaller imageboards on which it's popular to use usernames (tripcodes in their parlance.) I can't say I'm a big fan.

Yeah I don't like people who go by names in imageboards either but that might mostly be because of the imageboard culture.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by chx »

michaelt wrote: post #127
chx wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and on IRC users tend to be more friendly and aware of each other's humanity. I have been on IRC since 1993 but this is news to me.

'Friendlier than 4chan' is a pretty low bar.

For sure but "aware of each other's humanity" is ... not something I'd call your typical IRC dweller.
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