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Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

#131

When I first saw the subreddit, I thought it was a neat idea. I like the idea of digging into a tough subject and challenging our beliefs. I couldn't put my finger on it for the longest time, but what I eventually realized was that I didn't like how inauthentic the whole thing felt. Changing a deeply held belief just isn't that easy, yet almost every thread has the OP giving a delta. How it appears to me is that peop…

> How it appears to me is that people have beliefs that they realize are either unpopular or controversial, and so they use the subreddit to learn what they "should" believe or at least a rationalization for ignoring their true beliefs. A large portion of Reddit in general (especially the front page and popular subreddits) is people making up stories/opinions/content created specifically to illicit as many replies an…

Realistically signal/noise ratio of 0.05 to 0.01 is good enough in open forum comments. It's still possible to scan comments and find the signal from the noise.

Usenet was incredible before the eternal September. There was noise, trolls, flame wars and mentally instable people and good and bad moderation decisions, but the good was really good. Party due to the higher quality of the users and from the inability to make money from it. Top people were reading and lurking in relevant newsgroups and commented sometimes or sent private comment via email.

HN has two things common with Usenet, good moderation and higher than average users. What has changed is the motives. There are many users who are self promoting or marketing with pseudo-informative submissions. They push blog posts that are just written to increase visibility and "what I experienced when doing business", many of those stories made up. With all this negative stuff, HN has still good singal/noise ratio and you can learn from comments and discussions.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

#132
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While this may be true ( some currently successful sites are spin-offs from other sites ), often there is an orbiting behavior. If the option is to successfully monetize a portion of the flow vs nothing, it may turn out to be a net positive for the subreddit admins.

...but originating from Reddit? There's, ah, voat...

Imgur comes to mind.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

#133

Good for them. I honestly and truly hope they succeed. I have a small sub (30-40k =/- subscribers)and thought about doing this. I have the infrastructure for my personal projects but don't know if I wanna deal with the upkeep and some of the few mods we have. We're not political, we just wanna help people learn something and tell someone to bugger off when it's needed. Would open up a lot of possibilities and we woul…

That's not a small sub, that's almost large imo. Small is anything up to a few hundred, assuming not more than 1% is active daily (a few hundred subscribers is therefore a handful of users afaict). But 35k is probably hundreds of people on there every day. Imagine all those people meeting in real life, that's a decent company.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

#134
To paraphrase : "We have been looking to find a way to monetise community involvement and we think that moving it to somewhere that we control will let us do that."

I myself am keen on big houses, fun parties and fast cars, so I can see the attraction for the founders, I'm not sure what's in it for anyone else though.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

#135

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This is just reinventing webrings haha

"All intelligent thoughts have already been thought; what is necessary is only to try to think them again" - Goethe

Tremendous quotation. Thanks.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

#136
Jesus fucking Christ, this site is just the purest toxic waste.

The assholes that now populate the internet are kind of fucking sickening.

Everything is wrong with the world. I used to lay blame, and throw shade at certain people in particular (people I know personally), but you know what? It's the whole fucking planet. Someone out there has royally screwed the pooch, somehow, somewhere around the mid-1990's, and there's no going back.

The sooner I escape this nightmare, the better.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

#137

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Even the traditional PHP forum has all kinds of senseless 'flare' on each post. Post counts, signup dates, eye catching signatures, etc. A large portion of the screen space on your typical forum is still dedicated to attention seeking behavior. IRC is better. There is very little on screen besides the discussion itself. IRC nicks can be used to grab attention, but there are only a few characters to work with so usual…

And 4chan theoretically is better still, because the anonymity means posters are not rewarded at all for their contributions. Even the same poster, posting twice in the thread is not identifiable on most boards, allowing the discussion to be the primary focus. On the other hand, the culture of most *chans is to be abusive and confrontational, so who knows if it is any better.

I actually think it’s the opposite. On traditional social media a mediocre post will still get a few likes. On 4chan a new thread needs to achieve quick popularity or it’ll get deleted within 5 minutes.

I think that is part of what fules the negative culture. The anonymity and lack of moderation surely helps but outrageous threads simply have a higher chance of surviving on 4chan.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

#138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even the traditional PHP forum has all kinds of senseless 'flare' on each post. Post counts, signup dates, eye catching signatures, etc. A large portion of the screen space on your typical forum is still dedicated to attention seeking behavior. IRC is better. There is very little on screen besides the discussion itself. IRC nicks can be used to grab attention, but there are only a few characters to work with so usual…

IRC’s problem for deep conversations is that conversations in a chat medium are more ephemeral and that the shorter is better, not unlike Twitter, a format that exemplifies why shorter conversations do not give a great medium for longer/deeper conversations. With forums, posts aren’t generally deleted except by maybe an admin if someone has been violating rules, and due to the permanence, people generally spend more…

IRC deep conversations do happen and indeed you want persistence for those. Communities which rely on IRC use IRC logs for that. Perl projects use IRC that way and I think the Mozilla guys too.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

#139

The idea that people’s important opinions can be changed by some sort of silver bullet mega-argument is naive and immature, and frankly a great example of what’s wrong with discourse on the internet. In this light, the fact that CMV has the hubris to think their ‘experiment’ is significant outside reddit is not surprising, but no less laughable.

But why do people adopt 'important' opinions and get emotionally invested or attached to them?

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

#140

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IRC’s problem for deep conversations is that conversations in a chat medium are more ephemeral and that the shorter is better, not unlike Twitter, a format that exemplifies why shorter conversations do not give a great medium for longer/deeper conversations. With forums, posts aren’t generally deleted except by maybe an admin if someone has been violating rules, and due to the permanence, people generally spend more…

With forums you often get a topic that has 500 posts, 480 of which are pure "me too / works for me" noise. Those 500 posts are split into 50 pages of 10 posts each, and page one has the oldest posts. The post with the answer is on page 46 and the pages after that are just 30-40 comments thanking whoever came up with the answer. So if you jump straight to the end then start working backwards, you're looking at maybe 1…

QA forums are trash and they were totally replaced by stack exchange but general talk forums are still quite good. Private torrent trackers always have forums attached and the quality is usually quite good because its very hard to get a new account if you get banned.

From what I have seen, private forums are much more civil but its tough to actually build a community when its so much effort to join.

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