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Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by nvr219 »

reaperducer wrote: post #69
jachee wrote: post #67

Change my view: Verb forms of "graduate" which have a direct object should be followed by "from" unless they're referring to the act of calibration. "Jimmy graduated from college." Not "Jimmy graduated college." Alternately acceptable exception that proves the rule: "State College graduated 1500 students this year."

"Jimmy graduated from college." Not "Jimmy graduated college." See also: "Oil needs to be changed." Not "Oil needs changed." People are afraid of "to be" these days.

I went through a couple of days in high school where I wrote in e prime only. wow that was a pain in the ass.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by chx »

darkpuma wrote: post #77
phist_mcgee wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And 4chan theoretically is better still, because the anonymity means posters are not rewarded at all for their contributions. Even the same poster, posting twice in the thread is not identifiable on most boards, allowing the discussion to be the primary focus. On the other hand, the culture of most *chans is to be abusive and confrontational, so who knows if it is any better.

In my experience 4chan has more attention seeking behavior than IRC (inline images facilitate it moreso than nicks), and on IRC users tend to be more friendly and aware of each other's humanity.

> and on IRC users tend to be more friendly and aware of each other's humanity.

I have been on IRC since 1993 but this is news to me.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by r00fus »

oooshha wrote: post #34

They will rapidly find that 90% of their traffic continues to exist within the subreddit, therefore anyone wanting a good thread will post it there rather than on the website, and the website will rapidly atrophy and be abandoned.

While this may be true ( some currently successful sites are spin-offs from other sites ), often there is an orbiting behavior.

If the option is to successfully monetize a portion of the flow vs nothing, it may turn out to be a net positive for the subreddit admins.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

#94

Post by r00fus »

_bfhp wrote: post #58
benatkin wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't like the subreddit but if I did, I would be interested in participating in their community on a separate website. To each their own, I guess. Why I don't like it: a big part of it is people taking troll posts seriously. The third post down on changeaview.com when I visited it is "To be transgender or to condone it is nothing short of a lie". Then the author goes through a bunch of talking points. They're not…

I'm interested in how this taxonomy of discussion works... can you define the lines between what is "fair" discussion, "talking points" "trolling" and "garbage"? Like, where does criticism of Israeli military aggression against Palestinians fall? If that's an easy one, what about Ilhan Omar's views on the government's influence in geopolitical affairs? Whatever your answers, would many people not disagree?

It’s mainly diagnosed on repetition of talking points.

If it sounds like astroturfed content then it’s likely to be so, whether intentional or not.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by cirgue »

huebnerob wrote: post #88

The idea that people’s important opinions can be changed by some sort of silver bullet mega-argument is naive and immature, and frankly a great example of what’s wrong with discourse on the internet. In this light, the fact that CMV has the hubris to think their ‘experiment’ is significant outside reddit is not surprising, but no less laughable.

> The idea that people’s important opinions can be changed by some sort of silver bullet mega-argument is naive and immature, and frankly a great example of what’s wrong with discourse on the internet.

Even more naive and immature is the idea that conversations either lead to epiphany or do nothing. Comments are read several orders of magnitude more than they're responded to. You might not change that person's mind right now, but that kind of discourse is a part of how other people form or reinforce their opinions, and the OP might be more willing to change their mind in the future upon having other interactions and experiences that challenge their views, especially if someone has shown them a good-faith argument in the past.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

#96

Post by rhizome »

tru3_power wrote: post #80
darkpuma wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even the traditional PHP forum has all kinds of senseless 'flare' on each post. Post counts, signup dates, eye catching signatures, etc. A large portion of the screen space on your typical forum is still dedicated to attention seeking behavior. IRC is better. There is very little on screen besides the discussion itself. IRC nicks can be used to grab attention, but there are only a few characters to work with so usual…

Serious question here- but how do I go about finding irc channels for stuff I’m interested in? When I was younger I loved irc but my warez days are long gone and I literally have no idea where to start looking anymore.

same way you find subreddits: hang out in one you like and people will invariably mention others.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by Chris_Chambers »

I guarantee you with 100% certainty that this will fail. No one will care about it. You will try to use your sub to force traffic to your site and it won’t work the way you hope. Your domain will be banned on reddit soon and marked as spam. You will be removed as moderators of your own subreddit because your accounts will be banned too. This has literally happened before even when the site connected to the sub already existed before the sub itself did (LifeProTips for example). When this happens, you will kick and scream and demand justice but no one will listen to you. NO ONE. You are about to spend months or years on an idea that WILL fail. You really need to give up this idea immediately and do something else.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by fourstar »

This won’t work. Here is why: I tried the same thing with /r/lifeprotips.

I created that subreddit YEARS ago and initially wanted to build the website for it.

I populated all the good life hacks that I found throughout the internet initially to the subreddit and the community naturally grew — but I also invested time and money into it (by giving gold to top members).

Then when I launched the website, I had an auto moderator rule that removed a post from anyone who submitted a link-based post and PM’d them telling them to submit to the new website (@lifeprotips.com).

Well, guess what happened? Someone got upset and reported me. Because I had Adsense on it, that went to “justify” their case saying I was monetizing the subreddit.

It resulted in a subsequent shadow ban which eventually led to the removal of my reddit account (pretty old account with lots of history).

The mod who did this is /u/krispykrackers.

Good luck, though. I’m rooting for you, because Reddit doesn’t reward or appreciate creators, and without them, they’d be nothing.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

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Post by diminoten »

fourstar wrote: post #98

This won’t work. Here is why: I tried the same thing with /r/lifeprotips. I created that subreddit YEARS ago and initially wanted to build the website for it. I populated all the good life hacks that I found throughout the internet initially to the subreddit and the community naturally grew — but I also invested time and money into it (by giving gold to top members). Then when I launched the website, I had an auto mo…

The mistake you made was allowing posts at all on Reddit. You should have changed the CSS to point people at lifeprotips.com, and just created submissions for posts on lifeprotips.com.

Re: r/ChangeMyView Is Graduating Reddit: Introducing ChangeAView.com

#100

Post by diminoten »

markdown wrote: post #85

This feels wrong. I created a niche sub that currently has ~10k users, but I consider the members of the community to be as much the "owners" of it as I am. Just as I work to keep spammers and self-promoters at bay, I'd find it pretty scummy to form a startup around the sub and make money out of the contributions of thousands of community members. Separately, I like that at Reddit I know what I get now and very likel…

The real problem is the lack of revenue sharing that should take place with the moderators of a subreddit.

Well, that's one of the many many problems with Reddit's moderation.

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