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Re: I'm Joining CloudFlare

#51

Post by steveklabnik »

tptacek wrote: post #39
steveklabnik wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's cool man, not everything is for everyone. > Were people really record-scratching over his totally reasonable decision to take a good-paying job at a big company? I actually anticipated a few people being confused because of a few reasons. It seems like, so far at least, nobody has actually been confused. It happens. But I've experienced a lot of that previously; so like, moving from "writing documentation" to "p…

Yeah just to be clear, you're simply at the leading edge of a phenomenon that's been puzzling me for awhile, probably starting with that Yegge/Grab piece (after which, from what I can tell, he was never heard from again). Don't fade away!

:) Oh, one last bit I missed:

> Like: did you want to write this, or did Cloud Flare reallllllly want you to write this?

I brought up to them that I wanted to write a post about joining, and asked if they wanted marketing to look it over or something. They said "no need, we'll be happy with whatever you write."

I see it as a mutually beneficial thing, and always have, everywhere I've worked.

Re: I'm Joining CloudFlare

#52

Post by thaumaturgy »

steveklabnik wrote: post #25
the_narrator wrote: post #24

This post has hit number one on the front page, so I assume I am out of the loop; why is this significant?

For one, this post is more than "I got a job"; there's a lot of words spilled about the evolution of web application platforms. For another, I've been posting here for ten years. https://news.ycombinator.com/leaders has me at #19. (I'm a fan of patio11's "this is basically an odometer" take on that, of course.) My "I'm leaving Mozilla" post got a lot of attention too, as well as most of my previous job change posts.…

Yeah, you've got enough name recognition here that I saw the headline and my reaction was, "oh, good for him." Same with patio11 joining Stripe. I don't think I'd call HN a community exactly, but there are still people behind the names and it's nice to see positive changes happening for them.

And your post was technically interesting too. I hadn't caught wind of WASI or WASM being run on edge services, so that's given me something to read more about.

Re: I'm Joining CloudFlare

#53

Post by felipeccastro »

This is the second post I see about this edge functions, and while I appreciate the advantages (decreasing network latency should definitely have an impact), will this matter much if the database is still centralized? If most edge functions still need to talk to a centralized database, won’t that be essentially the same, performance wise?

Re: I'm Joining CloudFlare

#54

Post by kentonv »

tptacek wrote: post #33

This is a genre of post that I've never really understood. Klabnik is great and all, but, ok? Sure? Were people really record-scratching over his totally reasonable decision to take a good-paying job at a big company? It's obviously not just Klabnik. In fact, when we did Starfighter a few years back, I think Patrick did one of these posts as well. But: like every other post about Starfighter on HN while we were worki…

> did Cloud Flare reallllllly want you to write this?

I don't think any of us at Cloudflare had any idea Steve was writing this.

Similarly, no one at Cloudflare asked me to write https://sandstorm.io/news/2017-03-13-joining-cloudflare back when I joined, and I can't recall if I even told anyone I was writing it. That post also hit #1 on HN, which, honestly, was a huge surprise to me -- I didn't think it was that interesting, for similar reasons to what you say. I wrote it because it seemed like an obviously sensible thing to announce, but not really for attention-getting purposes...

I guess people are free to upvote what they think is interesting?

Re: I'm Joining CloudFlare

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Post by tptacek »

skybrian wrote: post #44
tptacek wrote: post #33

This is a genre of post that I've never really understood. Klabnik is great and all, but, ok? Sure? Were people really record-scratching over his totally reasonable decision to take a good-paying job at a big company? It's obviously not just Klabnik. In fact, when we did Starfighter a few years back, I think Patrick did one of these posts as well. But: like every other post about Starfighter on HN while we were worki…

It seems pretty reasonable for an internet-famous blogger/tech evangelist? Why shouldn't bloggers communicate with a willing audience? Their fans like to pay attention to them, and such people do at least informally participate in their company's public relations. (Yegge's rare recent posts are pretty transparently a hiring pitch.)

Is that what Klabnik is? An "evangelist"?

Re: I'm Joining CloudFlare

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Post by steveklabnik »

kentonv wrote: post #54
tptacek wrote: post #33

This is a genre of post that I've never really understood. Klabnik is great and all, but, ok? Sure? Were people really record-scratching over his totally reasonable decision to take a good-paying job at a big company? It's obviously not just Klabnik. In fact, when we did Starfighter a few years back, I think Patrick did one of these posts as well. But: like every other post about Starfighter on HN while we were worki…

> did Cloud Flare reallllllly want you to write this? I don't think any of us at Cloudflare had any idea Steve was writing this. Similarly, no one at Cloudflare asked me to write https://sandstorm.io/news/2017-03-13-joining-cloudflare back when I joined, and I can't recall if I even told anyone I was writing it. That post also hit #1 on HN, which, honestly, was a huge surprise to me -- I didn't think it was that inte…

> I don't think any of us at Cloudflare had any idea Steve was writing this.

I technically told Billy, but I don't think he bothered to tell anyone else :)

Re: I'm Joining CloudFlare

#58

Post by dsr_ »

ProAm wrote: post #46
tptacek wrote: post #33

This is a genre of post that I've never really understood. Klabnik is great and all, but, ok? Sure? Were people really record-scratching over his totally reasonable decision to take a good-paying job at a big company? It's obviously not just Klabnik. In fact, when we did Starfighter a few years back, I think Patrick did one of these posts as well. But: like every other post about Starfighter on HN while we were worki…

> Like: did you want to write this, or did Cloud Flare reallllllly want you to write this? Isn't most of this networking and self-promotion? It helps to announce if you have any kind of audience what you're doing so when the next opportunity comes long people will recognize who you are, what you've done? That's how I view all these posts. It's the same when a startup posts a blog about a technology they've decided to…

I'm not exactly sure about carpenters, but I know blacksmiths like to write long essays with many photographs about their tools and how they are set up and why some are better than others and in what circumstances and here are the great things you can do with them... and I presume I have already had the benefit of filtering out the illiterate and uninteresting ones, because these essays tend to be pretty good.

https://paulsellers.com/2013/10/debunking-myths-mysteries-sc...

https://freethoughtblogs.com/stderr/2019/01/29/a-guest-in-th...

Re: I'm Joining CloudFlare

#59

Post by steveklabnik »

felipeccastro wrote: post #53

This is the second post I see about this edge functions, and while I appreciate the advantages (decreasing network latency should definitely have an impact), will this matter much if the database is still centralized? If most edge functions still need to talk to a centralized database, won’t that be essentially the same, performance wise?

You are 100% right. I said this in the post:

> My role as part of Storage will be to consider “what does data access and storage look like in this world?” If your code is moved to the edge, but your data is still in a central server, you don’t gain the full benefit of having the code close to the client. There’s a lot of interesting stuff in this space!

Fixing this problem, or at least coming up with the plan to fix it, is now literally my job :) (There is of course already a plan in motion, given that Workers KV exists today...)

Re: I'm Joining CloudFlare

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Post by skybrian »

tptacek wrote: post #56
skybrian wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems pretty reasonable for an internet-famous blogger/tech evangelist? Why shouldn't bloggers communicate with a willing audience? Their fans like to pay attention to them, and such people do at least informally participate in their company's public relations. (Yegge's rare recent posts are pretty transparently a hiring pitch.)

Is that what Klabnik is? An "evangelist"?

Perhaps that's the wrong word, or I have the wrong impression. He seems to be an advocate for using Rust and WebAssembly.
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