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MIT cuts ties with Chinese tech firms Huawei, ZTE

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Re: MIT cuts ties with Chinese tech firms Huawei, ZTE

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Is there any evidence that these two companies aren’t Chinese government operatives?

Is there evidence they are? I don't trust Huawei all that much, rather I think whatever alternatives might also be whoever's operatives.

It's written in their "anti-espionage law", where all companies based in China have the duty to actively comply with spying requests when asked.

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This is what a commerce war looks like. It's not about China being an oppressive state, spying, etc. The former didn't matter all these decades, and the latter goes on forever from all sides and nobody bats an eye. It's about China catching up to (and surpassing in some cases) US tech, and not being content to be the mere "factory of the US" but sell its own stuff. Like Korea, Taiwan, and Japan each did in their own…

Japan caught up and surpassed the US without the corporate espionage or subsequent commerce war.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being a big believer in Open Source and Freedom of Knowledge, I think we, as humans, would progress much more quickly if we broke down barriers to knowledge sharing. It would help everyone progress much more quickly. Keeping knowledge secret, especially in research, which is usually publicly funded is not the right thing. We can debate all we want but the reality is that China has progressed and its people have benef…

I agree with the general spirit of what you're stating, but the fact of the matter is that the Chinese government has proven conclusively that its vision of the future is not one that incorporates a free flow of information or the preservation of individual rights; the Chinese government as an entity is not a viable partner in the task of building the society of free information you envision - it is an obstacle stand…

Individual rights is a Western philosophy. Eastern philosophies have long favored collectivism, including the “free” Japan.

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I just finished reading 'AI Superpowers' and I hardly understand now if US has any single chance to compete with China's Tech fairly, openly, democratically, with respect.

The US has overwhelming technological advantages over China, breakthroughs in AI still largely come from the US. China has more data and state support though.

Re: MIT cuts ties with Chinese tech firms Huawei, ZTE

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This is what a commerce war looks like. It's not about China being an oppressive state, spying, etc. The former didn't matter all these decades, and the latter goes on forever from all sides and nobody bats an eye. It's about China catching up to (and surpassing in some cases) US tech, and not being content to be the mere "factory of the US" but sell its own stuff. Like Korea, Taiwan, and Japan each did in their own…

However Taiwan, Korea, and Japan all did this without pissing everyone off.

China needs to learn to play by the rules

Re: MIT cuts ties with Chinese tech firms Huawei, ZTE

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post #122

This is what a commerce war looks like. It's not about China being an oppressive state, spying, etc. The former didn't matter all these decades, and the latter goes on forever from all sides and nobody bats an eye. It's about China catching up to (and surpassing in some cases) US tech, and not being content to be the mere "factory of the US" but sell its own stuff. Like Korea, Taiwan, and Japan each did in their own…

Japan caught up and surpassed the US without the corporate espionage or subsequent commerce war.

They did this decades ago, and without time for the US to react. Also the US shaped Japan’s government so it’s difficult to criticize them due to competition.

Re: MIT cuts ties with Chinese tech firms Huawei, ZTE

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post #26

I wonder if US carriers can start discouraging consumers from using Huawei, ZTE cellphones. They know the IMEI numbers.

How would this work? A monthly ZTE surcharge? The consumer already bought the phone. Retroactively punishing them when they already gave money to ZTE isn't the right solution. Just ban new phones from joining the networks.

Not that it's desirable, but maybe they could (de)prioritize internet traffic at the infrastructure level from specific phone manufacturers now that internet neutrality isn't a thing anymore.

Re: MIT cuts ties with Chinese tech firms Huawei, ZTE

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post #122

This is what a commerce war looks like. It's not about China being an oppressive state, spying, etc. The former didn't matter all these decades, and the latter goes on forever from all sides and nobody bats an eye. It's about China catching up to (and surpassing in some cases) US tech, and not being content to be the mere "factory of the US" but sell its own stuff. Like Korea, Taiwan, and Japan each did in their own…

Japan caught up and surpassed the US without the corporate espionage or subsequent commerce war.

> Japan caught up and surpassed the US without the corporate espionage or subsequent commerce war.

No, Japanese corporate espionage against US firms, Japanese transfers of sensitive US-origin technology to regimes the US wanted it kept away from, and a US-Japan trade war are all things that happened and were notable news items during the Japanese run up.

This despite the US and Japan being geopolitical allies at the times involved.

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post #61

I was a PhD student at MIT CSAIL a few years ago and recall an incident where a visiting scholar from a corporation who had donated money had to be asked to leave because he essentially scraped every piece of internal data and code in the lab and sent it back home. What was amazing to me was that he was allowed to return a few months later with the explanation “it was just a cultural misunderstanding” I want to be ca…

To be fair, cheating and stealing is a cultural norm over there!

Re: MIT cuts ties with Chinese tech firms Huawei, ZTE

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post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not the cellphones they're worried about, its the network infrastructure. A cellphone simply has access to the carriers internet connection, whereas building a carrier's infrastructure on Huawei equipment means Huawei can spy on whoever is using that network.

Not necessarily. If the devices used end to end encryption the pipes will be just dumb pipes.

That's a big "if".
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