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MIT cuts ties with Chinese tech firms Huawei, ZTE

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Re: MIT cuts ties with Chinese tech firms Huawei, ZTE

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I was a PhD student at MIT CSAIL a few years ago and recall an incident where a visiting scholar from a corporation who had donated money had to be asked to leave because he essentially scraped every piece of internal data and code in the lab and sent it back home.

What was amazing to me was that he was allowed to return a few months later with the explanation “it was just a cultural misunderstanding”

I want to be careful not to point fingers at a particular country or culture, but that experience taught me that a grey-area version of corporate espionage is _very real_ in academia — an environment that operates with all guards down and no defenses against it.

[Edited to fix tappos]

Re: MIT cuts ties with Chinese tech firms Huawei, ZTE

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post #26

I wonder if US carriers can start discouraging consumers from using Huawei, ZTE cellphones. They know the IMEI numbers.

How would this work? A monthly ZTE surcharge? The consumer already bought the phone. Retroactively punishing them when they already gave money to ZTE isn't the right solution. Just ban new phones from joining the networks.

"Our network support of your handset has been deprecated due to national security".

EDIT: I admit I was initially skeptical about the claims being made against Huawei and ZTE, but as more evidence arrives, I (personally) think caution is warranted. Critical infrastructure is a thing. Offer trade in/replacement rebates if you want to reduce friction during the device purge.

Re: MIT cuts ties with Chinese tech firms Huawei, ZTE

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Is there any evidence that these two companies aren’t Chinese government operatives?

Couldn’t you count any US based company that takes major government contracts, or has board members who were formerly high in government (eg. Dropbox/Condoleezza Rice) as a “government operative”?

Is there any list of such companies?

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Found the Caltech student! Jokes aside, why not include MIT or UChicago? The former is arguably a bigger Caltech, and the latter is extremely rigorous, even if not focused on engineering.

> Jokes aside, why not include MIT or UChicago? ...How many schools do you think can fit in the #1 spot?

Touché! I suppose I'm partially criticizing the idea of a #1, but that aside, there's a fair point to be made that MIT would beat a smaller version of it on any nominal measurement rather than per-capita.

Additionally, if you want to learn something academic that isn't technology, I'm not sure MIT or Caltech would win (or even be applicable), hence UChicago as a possibility for a general "best at academics" university.

Re: MIT cuts ties with Chinese tech firms Huawei, ZTE

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a matter of government policy, all Chinese companies are government operatives. The Communist Party claims "overall leadership over all areas of endeavour in every part of the country".

isn't all companies subject to the laws of their respective host countries? The narrative of "party rules all" is way too simplistic to form an argument. At least I would be curious to look for past events of how the party exerted influence on non-state-owned-enterprises.

Laws, yes. Will, no. The Chinese Government regularly leverages influence on it's largest companies to great effect. Apple is subject to the laws of the United States (allegedly) but the US Government hardly has a say in what they do within the scope of those laws.

Re: MIT cuts ties with Chinese tech firms Huawei, ZTE

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I wonder if US carriers can start discouraging consumers from using Huawei, ZTE cellphones. They know the IMEI numbers.

It's not the cellphones they're worried about, its the network infrastructure. A cellphone simply has access to the carriers internet connection, whereas building a carrier's infrastructure on Huawei equipment means Huawei can spy on whoever is using that network.
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