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MIT cuts ties with Chinese tech firms Huawei, ZTE

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Re: MIT cuts ties with Chinese tech firms Huawei, ZTE

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Chinese tech is impotent, so there's a fair chance for America.

In regard to AI, Chinese researchers can efficiency apply everything that has been published and can even make valuable original research, though not at the same volume and level as US.

True, but you can say that about nearly any developed country out there.

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I just finished reading 'AI Superpowers' and I hardly understand now if US has any single chance to compete with China's Tech fairly, openly, democratically, with respect.

What makes you believe US completes fairly and openly? Don't you see news on China import embargo and capture of it's executives.

You also don't see TMobile stealing robots from China or Facebook luring Baidu developers to "interviews" for interrogation.

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I used to live there and they don't really know MIT in China. I'd say only among the academics. Certainly not a household name.

Are you sure? Because there’s a bus load of fascinated Chinese tourists clamoring to look at MIT every other hour.

I live in South Africa. One of my local malls has a busload of Chinese tourists arriving not hourly but possibly daily. Not a special mall.

China is so big that even if a tiny percentage have any interest in you, you'll think it's a heck of a lot. MIT can be a non-household name and still attract hundreds of thousands.

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I wonder if US carriers can start discouraging consumers from using Huawei, ZTE cellphones. They know the IMEI numbers.

Illegal and unconstitutional. It's not up to the carries to dictate which phones work on their Network. That's the reason for standardization of network protocols Do you really want, hypothetically, a phone maker, say Apple, to get into a sweetheart deal with AT&T and make phone service on non Apple IMEIs unreliable? Or for AT&T to target certain political, religious groups ....

I guess I missed out on the unconstitutionality of many carriers not carrying Nokia Windows phones or Sony Android phones or Motorola phones...

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Is there any evidence that these two companies aren’t Chinese government operatives?

Couldn’t you count any US based company that takes major government contracts, or has board members who were formerly high in government (eg. Dropbox/Condoleezza Rice) as a “government operative”?

As long as National Security Letters are a thing, that can encompass most companies.

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Is there any evidence that these two companies aren’t Chinese government operatives?

Couldn’t you count any US based company that takes major government contracts, or has board members who were formerly high in government (eg. Dropbox/Condoleezza Rice) as a “government operative”?

Nope. Presumably their former positions on their resumes are why former government employees are on such boards/in such positions. Expecting/wanting certain things on a resume are standard practice.

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Hmmm. From the article: "MIT is the latest top educational institution to unplug telecom equipment made by Huawei and other Chinese companies to avoid losing federal funding."

It seems like my government is pulling out all the stops trying to compete internationally against Chinese companies in the 5G market. I understand that other countries also pull out all the stops in trying to help their industries compete internationally.

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I just finished reading 'AI Superpowers' and I hardly understand now if US has any single chance to compete with China's Tech fairly, openly, democratically, with respect.

...in what area is China actually leading? Catching up and leading require two very different skill sets.

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I was a PhD student at MIT CSAIL a few years ago and recall an incident where a visiting scholar from a corporation who had donated money had to be asked to leave because he essentially scraped every piece of internal data and code in the lab and sent it back home. What was amazing to me was that he was allowed to return a few months later with the explanation “it was just a cultural misunderstanding” I want to be ca…

Another hilarious example is Steve Johnsons (and companies)s casimir force paper which was copied figure by figure by some Chinese researchers. Absolutely nothing happened to those Chinese "scholars".

Re: MIT cuts ties with Chinese tech firms Huawei, ZTE

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Illegal and unconstitutional. It's not up to the carries to dictate which phones work on their Network. That's the reason for standardization of network protocols Do you really want, hypothetically, a phone maker, say Apple, to get into a sweetheart deal with AT&T and make phone service on non Apple IMEIs unreliable? Or for AT&T to target certain political, religious groups ....

Unconstitutional? The carriers are private companies, I'm not sure what in the Constitution would apply. (I'd agree with "illegal" for the same reasons Ma Bell can't require that you use one of their phones on their phone lines, but that's just because lawmakers decided it should be illegal; they weren't constitutionally obligated to make it illegal.)

It could be an antitrust problem (which wouldn't make it unconstitutional, to be sure.)
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