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Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

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Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

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In the past several years, I’ve entered 6 countries as a US citizen. Only Canada has demanded access to my phone.

What are they even trying to find on your phone?

Evidence that you're coming to Canada to stay and perhaps work, rather than visit temporarily.

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Traveling internationally with encrypted data you don't want to disclose to border officials is not a good plan these days. Much safer to transfer securely via network connection. It's easy to single out the US but the reality is that most countries have pretty far reaching rules these days. E.g. the UK and Australia are hardly any safer. And forget about China, Russia, or indeed most countries with even less democra…

Is there a list of all the countries and their practices somewhere?

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I don't have any knowledge one way or another, but is this true? I guess it seems like we can afford healthcare just fine, but allocating money to healthcare/education/etc is a different problem.

We can but we don't want to. It's even worse.

> It's even worse.

Agreed. I personally view Daylight Savings as being horrid for mental health reasons, and I have plenty of friends and family that feel the same. There is no hope for any of us to change that. So from my view point, if we can't discuss an issue as simple as Daylight Savings, then there's little hope for bigger issues.

Also, from a "peasants" view, we want to change, but getting that translated to actual change through the system seems impossible. It doesn't help there are legitimate differences on what solutions even looks like.

Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

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This assumes that he was not picked by random but instead there is some sort of list of people to check at airports that you can be put on because of your work within IT-security. That would be a big story if that is the case. I will offer a counter-narrative which is more in line with my own experience (from other places than the US): The people who work at border control in particular in airports are bored. They ar…

They're likely not stupid enough to have a "list". They have a set of factors and probably tally up some sort of score and search everyone above X. It just so happens that anyone they wanted to put on the list will score X or above. Doing IT security probably gets you a pretty high score just by itself. Add in the fact that he was originally from Eastern Europe and there you are. I will definitely agree bored cops lo…

They literally have a list [0]

[0] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/u-s-officials-m...

Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

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This seems like a good idea, but it may land you in even more trouble. If it can be shown that you intentionally misled officers about content on your device, not merely denied questioning, you risk an obstruction of justice charge.

How about enforcing this by contract to shift the responsibility towards the employer, which presumably has more teeth to defend itself from abuses? Say a clause in every IT worker contract stating that when a LEO asks to unlock any device, a predefined user account must be used to log in. In the OP case, I'd hardly believe they'd send SWAT teams to Cupertino to raid Apple offices.

Contracts, or at least clauses within contracts, which require a party to break the law are not valid.

Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

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Very good point. The key here is to make sure your devices are all fully encrypted. Feel free to turn them on to prove they are real. But never decrypt. If this results in you missing your flight, so be it .

> But never decrypt. If this results in you missing your flight, so be it. Why? Is that more important to stay locked than miss granma's funeral, or more positively, 75th birthday?

That's certainly a problem. My grandfather was a man who was tasked with killing spies, knew three languages, and out of all of this, I cannot even get him to talk about privacy or security. It appears even he was taught just to shut down on it and say nothing; even on your practices. All the while he taught child soldiers to become child assassin's for the US military.

If you're a security person, I suspect his recommendation would be - even though he doesn't understand IT and tech - to say you don't even understand how SSH works or can't tell the difference between encryption and hashing.

Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

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In the past several years, I’ve entered 6 countries as a US citizen. Only Canada has demanded access to my phone.

Another anecdotal point, in the past few years I've entered the US a dozen times, China, SA, Australia, Canada and some European countries outside my native France, and I've never been asked to unlock my phone once. I always get the fingerprint treatment at LAX though.

Getting fingerprint is supposed to be a standard procedure.

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Or simply just leave yours at home, buy a burner phone on arrival.

There's a cost to doing that. I guess it depends just how badly you need to travel to the US, but as a Canadian citizen, I see no reason to endanger myself or my family by traveling there at the current time. Walt Disney World will still be there in 2021.

Even if a Democratic regime takes over in 2021 I promise you it will be no different. One of the largest expanses of the surveillance state was a consequence of the previous President, and there is no reason to believe that won’t continue into the foreseeable future.

Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

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Or simply just leave yours at home, buy a burner phone on arrival.

There's a cost to doing that. I guess it depends just how badly you need to travel to the US, but as a Canadian citizen, I see no reason to endanger myself or my family by traveling there at the current time. Walt Disney World will still be there in 2021.

> Walt Disney World will still be there in 2021.

I think you'll have to wait awhile. These policy tools have been under both parties starting with GWB far as the initial PATRIOT Act (I think?). Right now, we're at a point where the USA might, but unlikely, go back to an isolationist policy far as borders.

At a meta level, this is a debate around internationalism vs globalism. Currently, Earth is in an era of internationalism. There is a desire by lots of people to move towards Globalism.

Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

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post #140

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Border agents may lie about your rights? Is there no Miranda equivalent for this type of detainment?

The border agents are in fact correct. The Supreme court has ruled that US citizens have no constitutional protections against search and seizure or basically anything else on the border of the US: https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone Also police are allowed to lie about anything they want during interrogations.

I feel like there's a difference between "lying about the facts of an investigation, including what they know or don't know, during questioning" and "misrepresenting the rights of the accused."

The latter feels like a serious problem that should get rectified.

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