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Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

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Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

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Can they deny entry to a non citizen and hold their stuff?

I don't think there's any country in the world that doesn't reserve the right to deny entry to non-citizens for any reason they choose.

Perhaps I was unclear, I was asking if they can confiscate your stuff and send you back without it.

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What if I don’t support or defend the Second Amendment? Does that make me unamerican? Should I renounce my citizenship?

Did you swear an oath to uphold the constitution? If so, it is your duty to allow others to exercise their 2nd amendment rights.

Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

#273

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Would it perilous if you just plead the fifth? If you knowingly state that you don't know how to turn the phone back on, then it's a lie, but if you just plead the 5th? Also, why is it legal for them to lie to me when I can't lie to them?

It's not that it's legal, is that you have no way to hold them to account when they do.

"It's not that it's legal" Unless this somehow escapes qualified immunity, it's legal for them to lie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity

Also you may have no way to gather your own evidence anyway.

Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

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Better, have a secure server at home and ansible playbooks to set up laptops (including getting any minor secrets that you need onto that laptop. Restrict more important stuff to just ssh). If your threat model doesn't include physical tampering/rootkits, just wipe your devices pre-travel and set it up when you get where you're going. If it does and you can afford to mitigate that risk, arrange to have cheap new devi…

Would work if you trusted that the devices weren't tampered during inspection. Why would I put my keys on something which might've been wiretapped? If you really need to compute whilst traveling or through the states, just buy something cheap whilst you're there.

I literally suggested that if you read my comment.

Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

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> I'm not sure they can ask you to break a contract. Are allowed to? Maybe, maybe not. Will do anyway? Probably yes.

I'm certain they're allowed to. If the SEC thinks your employer is committing fraud, and asks you to inform on them, do they care that you have an NDA? Not a chance.

In the US, an NDA can't be used to conceal a crime.

Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

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Quick reminder: US citizens have an absolute right to reenter the country. Customs can temporarily detain you, but they cannot refuse entry. Any threat, whether implied or stated, that they will hold you until you unlock your device is not real. They can hold your stuff indefinitely, so be prepared to lose it if you go this route, but never unlock your device based on the idea that it’s the only way to go free. Non-c…

I am a US citizen. For many years I tried exercising this right while remaining silent.

I’ve been kicked out of a border control point in northern Vermont in February in a snowstorm after a four hour interrogation. (They sent the bus without me.)

I’ve been arrested and locked in a room for twelve hours with no food or water or medication.

I’ve been endlessly harassed and interrogated on other entries even when not exercising 5th amendment rights to silence.

In all cases they eventually let me go without charges.

They have to let you enter, but they don’t have to do it quickly or humanely.

Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

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What if I don’t support or defend the Second Amendment? Does that make me unamerican? Should I renounce my citizenship?

I'm not even sure how someone could support or oppose the second amendment. It really doesn't say much (anything?) about personal gun ownership. What people are arguing over is the interpretations through caselaw trying to figure out what this rather ambiguous segment of text was trying to say.

Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

#278

Abuse of power, indeed -- but he should have let Apple's lawyers sort out the proprietary device access issue after the fact. Pretty sure as Google employees the advice to us is to cooperate fully and then make sure lawyers know about it later. It's not worth compromising your own security and freedom on behalf of a corporation.

FWIW, that's exactly what Apple tells us:

> If a Customs agent asks you to power up the laptop and access content with your passwords, please comply with this request. [...] Travelers should notify their supervisor and corporate security at their first opportunity.

Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

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Quick reminder: US citizens have an absolute right to reenter the country. Customs can temporarily detain you, but they cannot refuse entry. Any threat, whether implied or stated, that they will hold you until you unlock your device is not real. They can hold your stuff indefinitely, so be prepared to lose it if you go this route, but never unlock your device based on the idea that it’s the only way to go free. Non-c…

> They can hold your stuff indefinitely, so be prepared to lose it if you go this route CBP do need reasonable suspicion to hold you belongings or do a forensic search of your computer (Cotterman 2013) - they can't just randomly take things on a whim. The longer they hold it, the higher standard required.

They can still take it, illegally, and then you have to spend thousands and weeks (and have to stay in the US for those weeks) suing them to get it back.

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We lead the world in R&D, we aren't in a surveillance state like China (~1.3B people), we aren't undeveloped, we have the US dollar - the commanding world currency. We develop the best military technology, space technology, most all technology. We issue the most patents, by far. We (as people) have more rights than most all other nations and we led many other rights to attain rights for their own citizens. We protect…

We can't afford healthcare for our people.

I don't have any knowledge one way or another, but is this true? I guess it seems like we can afford healthcare just fine, but allocating money to healthcare/education/etc is a different problem.
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