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Re: No one should have to travel in fear

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Post by [deleted] »

rconti wrote: post #105
geofft wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just looked up my own employer's policies/guidance, and they say: 1. Comply with legal government requests (in any country; there's also a pre-approval form for international travel with a corporate laptop, and a list of countries that they will not let you take your corporate laptop to at all). 2. If you are a US citizen, the US must let you back in even if you don't consent to a search, though they can seize your…

Yeah, my understanding is that CBP is not allowed to prevent US citizens from re-entering the country. That said, how they ascertain your citizenship status if (say) you lost your passport...

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Re: No one should have to travel in fear

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Post by hopler »

zeveb wrote: post #89
throwawaystale wrote: post #38

He's saying he was targeted because he's known to disapprove of the Trump administration? Please. If anything, it was considerably worse prior to 2016. A better question would be why someone technically knowledgeable would be carrying a laptop through airline security at all. As soon as it's out of your hands, you have to assume it's been blown, security-wise. Far better to just buy a burner Chromebook at your destin…

> If anything, it was considerably worse prior to 2016. I would have been seriously surprised if CBP cared about who donated to Democratic candidates — but then, the IRS under Mr. Obama did attack Republican groups, with very few negative consequences for the culprits, as did the Milwaukee DA. I really hope that bad precedent has not led to further bad behaviour. The rule of law is important , no matter who you are,…

The IRS conspiracy theory was debunked by Trump's Treasury Department. wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy

Re: No one should have to travel in fear

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Post by metildaa »

komali2 wrote: post #104
Diederich wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Partner and I are considering abandoning the USA. Any thoughts about where you'd move? Some places in the world are better, but it feels like our whole civilization is trending in this bad direction.

This isn't the only reason we're considering leaving, so it's not the crux upon which we are filtering choices. Scandinavia is being tossed around as an option, pending further research on each nation, but generally I've been quite inspired by hackers I've met from there and I haven't seen shockingly dystopian news out of the region in a while. Taiwan is on the shortlist mostly because the government is so preoccupie…

Sweden is virtually cashless, with banks & retailers taking a hard line about avoiding cash: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/21/business/sweden-cashless-...

Norway is on the same track: https://www.ibtimes.com/norways-biggest-bank-calls-country-s...

Additionally, the extradition scheme with Julian Assange (lure him to Sweden, who will deport to the USA) and laws like IPRED (which forced the creation of IPredator.se VPN) are sketchy at best.

Co-liability for debts in many European contries is also a very questionable practice, from what I gather there isn't the same kind of credit system, leaving few un-collateralized debts, and roomates can be held liable for debts they didn't incur, co-sign for or otherwise agree to. Makes you really want to think hard about who you split a flat with!

Re: No one should have to travel in fear

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Post by dirkg »

CBP/TSA/DHS are thugs who have virtually unlimited power, zero accountability, and relish the chance to abuse their power. Its no different from cops celebrating killing innocent people.

The US media is a joke, they drump up fear without holding anyone in govt accountable, and the people are stupid, no one cares about this kind of thing, they'd rather believe the usual nonsense about 'keeping us safe'.

Re: No one should have to travel in fear

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Post by eitland »

metildaa wrote: post #133
komali2 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't the only reason we're considering leaving, so it's not the crux upon which we are filtering choices. Scandinavia is being tossed around as an option, pending further research on each nation, but generally I've been quite inspired by hackers I've met from there and I haven't seen shockingly dystopian news out of the region in a while. Taiwan is on the shortlist mostly because the government is so preoccupie…

Sweden is virtually cashless, with banks & retailers taking a hard line about avoiding cash: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/21/business/sweden-cashless-... Norway is on the same track: https://www.ibtimes.com/norways-biggest-bank-calls-country-s... Additionally, the extradition scheme with Julian Assange (lure him to Sweden, who will deport to the USA) and laws like IPRED (which forced the creation of IPredator.se V…

> Norway is on the same track:

Regulators have been very clear recently that accepting cash is mandatory in retail.

Cash is part of national emergency preparedness.

BTW: last year we received an official flyer with recommendations to keep iodine tablets, fresh water and canned food available.

Re: No one should have to travel in fear

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Post by masonic »

hopler wrote: post #130
mindfulhack wrote: post #98

This needs to be challenged to the Supreme Court level whereby it is deemed unconstitutional for TSA agents to detain and seize people and their possessions without actual demonstrable cause relating to national security and/or the spirit of the law(s) governing their policies and procedure. If overly broad legislation is being abused against the spirit and intention of it, then the court needs to step in to legally…

Won't happen until Donald Trump's justices retire.

Justices? Trump has nominated exactly one.

Re: No one should have to travel in fear

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Post by erik_seaberg »

masonic wrote: post #136
hopler wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Won't happen until Donald Trump's justices retire.

Justice s ? Trump has nominated exactly one.

And this ridiculous customs policy probably dates back to the Clinton administration. I know it was perennial ragebait on Slashdot.

Re: No one should have to travel in fear

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Post by zeveb »

hopler wrote: post #132
zeveb wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If anything, it was considerably worse prior to 2016. I would have been seriously surprised if CBP cared about who donated to Democratic candidates — but then, the IRS under Mr. Obama did attack Republican groups, with very few negative consequences for the culprits, as did the Milwaukee DA. I really hope that bad precedent has not led to further bad behaviour. The rule of law is important , no matter who you are,…

The IRS conspiracy theory was debunked by Trump's Treasury Department. wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy

That page doesn't say that: regarding the September 2017 Treasury Department investigation, it states 'The 115 page report confirmed the findings of the prior 2013 report that some conservative organizations had been unfairly targeted, but also found that the pattern of misconduct had been ongoing since 2004 and was non-partisan in nature.'

Which doesn't, I think, directly disagree with what I wrote.

Notably, the page also indicates that in October 2017 President Trump's administration admitted the previous administration's wrongdoing and settled the ongoing cases. Of course, it's in their interest to admit that Mr. Obama's administration had done wrong regardless.

Re: No one should have to travel in fear

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Post by noir_lord »

14 wrote: post #59
jacquesm wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every time an article like this pops up I am validated in my decision to no longer travel to the United States.

This is the part I don't get. Surely they realize there are a large portion of people that will avoid that county just on principle that they may be hassled at the border. I can imagine that these policies have cost them millions of dollars. Imagine going to a county and being turned around all because you had an employers laptop you promised not to unlock for anyone. Or how about a personal laptop with naked picture…

My partner wants to do more travelling and I said sure, anywhere you want in the world except the US.

Which is a shame there parts of the US I'd love to see but not at the price of entry.

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