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The CIA Campaign to Steal Apple's Secrets (2015)

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Re: The CIA Campaign to Steal Apple's Secrets (2015)

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Aren't domestic investigations the FBI's job, though? Why does the CIA have jurisdiction to steal the intellectual property of an American company?

Why do they hack computers of congressional staffers? Why do they explicitly violate the law (re: Iran/Contras)? Why...

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Re: The CIA Campaign to Steal Apple's Secrets (2015)

#102

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"the enemy's devices" Which enemy?

Strategic rivals: Russia and China Regional rivals: North Korea and Iran Authoritarian partners/allies: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, a bunch of other Middle Eastern countries A bunch of countries flirting with authoritarianism: Brazil, Hungary, Poland, Israel

Seriously? This kind of stuff is exactly why countries are opposed to free trade and globalism. You listed two countries in the EU there, for example.

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I think you all must have a different relationship with your government in Canada than US citizens do. None of these agencies are "on my own team". They are all adversaries. I feel far more threatened by US government hacking precisely because I live inside US jurisdiction. If we were to have a difference of opinions, and they were to snoop around in my data and decide they didn't like what they found, well, I'm sitt…

I suspect we have a similar % of Canadians who distrust the government as Americans do. I'd count myself among them. However: 1) I maintain that the only reason to fund an intelligence agency is to expect them to perform intelligence activities, and today that requires being the best in the world at black hat infosec. 2) I mistrust my government less than I mistrust yours or Russsia's, because at least my government…

>2) I mistrust my government less than I mistrust yours or Russsia's, because at least my government depends on me for votes and taxes and general compliance with laws.

But this also means that they have way more reason to lie to you and to mislead you.

Re: The CIA Campaign to Steal Apple's Secrets (2015)

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Nothing in this article is surprising. I mean, honestly, if you don't think the CIA is actively trying to gain access to your devices, WTF do you think they do all day? I'd be more concerned if the intelligence agencies of the world WEREN'T doing this. It's their purpose. It's what we pay them for with our taxes. Of course we should also always root for tech companies to stay one step ahead. But infosec is an arms ra…

> WTF do you think they do all day? One would hope that they were trying to gain access to someone else's devices, as opposed to turning the guns towards their own citizens and economy. If a soldier showed up at my door and pointed their gun at me, my reaction wouldn't be "of course you're doing that, your job is to point guns."

Well, by law, the CIA aren't allowed to spy on US citizens, that's the FBI's job.

However, there's nothing stopping them sharing capabilities with the Five Eyes and asking one of them to spy on a US citizen...

Re: The CIA Campaign to Steal Apple's Secrets (2015)

#105

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No one outside of America has ever bought an Apple device, obviously.

People outside of America also have human rights.

Human rights have never excluded foreign intelligence services from engaging in espionage.

Re: The CIA Campaign to Steal Apple's Secrets (2015)

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How is pen testing of iPhones stealing Apple's secrets? Does Apple know these holes are there and they're keeping them secret? I'll grant you that if the CIA broke into Apple and stole keys, that would stealing along with breaking and entering or the cybercrime equivalent. But that's not what the article says.

>How is pen testing of iPhones stealing Apple's secrets? Did you read the article? The CIA -- in addition to pentesting -- is trying to exfiltrate GID keys of Apple devices. That is quite literally, trying to steal Apple's secrets -- not checking which systems have vulnerabilities.

Thank you, I did read the article. No, that's pen testing.

Re: The CIA Campaign to Steal Apple's Secrets (2015)

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How much does a clandestine international assassination cost? Why would anyone bother?

I suspect you're being downvoted because of the below. Spoiler alert: dictators don't follow the same value calculus as normal people for when they should "bother". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvi... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Skripal

Sure, I'm aware of those cases - but I am not a former Russian military intelligence officer, and I'll wager that nobody else participating in this thread is, either. There is no conceivable reason that any dictator, anywhere in the world, should care enough about any of us to bother spending the enormous amount of money and presumably political capital that would be involved in executing such an attack, so why should we worry about it?

Re: The CIA Campaign to Steal Apple's Secrets (2015)

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Nothing in this article is surprising. I mean, honestly, if you don't think the CIA is actively trying to gain access to your devices, WTF do you think they do all day? I'd be more concerned if the intelligence agencies of the world WEREN'T doing this. It's their purpose. It's what we pay them for with our taxes. Of course we should also always root for tech companies to stay one step ahead. But infosec is an arms ra…

Which is exactly why there are so few countries that you can trust. Here is a good article about it: https://protonvpn.com/blog/best-vpn-country-comparison/

Re: The CIA Campaign to Steal Apple's Secrets (2015)

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Strategic rivals: Russia and China Regional rivals: North Korea and Iran Authoritarian partners/allies: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, a bunch of other Middle Eastern countries A bunch of countries flirting with authoritarianism: Brazil, Hungary, Poland, Israel

Seriously? This kind of stuff is exactly why countries are opposed to free trade and globalism. You listed two countries in the EU there, for example.

Yeah if Poland and Hungary are 'flirting with authoritarianism' then the US with it's current leader is too.

If that sounds dumb to you, you should rethink the statement about Poland and Hungary.

Re: The CIA Campaign to Steal Apple's Secrets (2015)

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"“Apple led the way with secure coprocessors in phones, with fingerprint sensors, with encrypted messages. If you can attack Apple, then you can probably attack anyone.”" They really didn't. There were cryptophones, such as Cryptophone, doing secure messaging and stuff before Apple. Julian Assange used one IIRC. High-assurance security did stuff like Sectera Edge with some side-channel shielding, too. Then, there wer…

Apple still led the way: Because Apple did it, Android vendors followed suit.

Cryptophone and the other products were a niche market and no one really knows if they are good enough to withstand a nation state attack or if they are just good enough to provide better opsec for companies than regular phones did.

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