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French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by Funes- »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #177
Funes- wrote: post #167

Access to knowledge should be open and free. Especially if it has been produced by an institution that receives public funding.

Note that not just Sci-Hub but Libgen was blocked as well. Libgen hosts academic works, sure, but it also hosts literature, including popular literature like everyone’s favourite science-fiction and fantasy series, children’s books, etc. So, the "access to knowledge should be open and free; the public might have paid for it anyway" isn’t a suitable defense of it here. As a big fan of Libgen who has scanned and upload…

I was strictly referring to research papers and other academic publications; maybe I should have said "access to academic works" instead. Other than that, I could do away with Libgen's copyrighted literature, since I've never downloaded any of it. Also, I personally wouldn't be so fast to take a position against copyright in general, to be honest, but that discussion will have to take place somewhere else.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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99052882514569 wrote: post #231
xorand wrote: post #215

This was demanded by Elsevier and Springer, as the copy of the order shows https://torrentfreak.com/images/scihuborder.pdf . Every researcher who still is an editor of one of their journals is responsible for this. Any academic manager who supports these journals, either by buying them or by counting impact factor points, is responsible of this. People should know that all of these people who support this are paid fr…

Is responsible for what? I support efforts to use open-access journals whenever possible and putting these ungodly abominations out of business. But that's up to researchers and funding agencies, not up to "the Pirate Bay of science" or any other site that breaks the law. And while I don't think it's immoral or anything to use it, I do think it's somewhat shrill and disingenuous to act like its blockage is some kind…

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Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by derefr »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #360
derefr wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Bitrot does set in over time, though, and the less distributed a work is the worse its odds of living through each new tech transition. Eh, I feel like we've almost fully gotten away from bit-rot. Bit-rot was a problem because individuals don't bother to go to the effort of constant IT administration, and don't have the economies of scale required to afford good data redundancy. But individuals don't have to back t…

In the HD movie torrent community – people sharing full Blu-ray images – a person’s collection can run into the many terabytes. My own collection amounts to 8TB and is only content I have watched personally and am interested in, while torrent communities greatly benefit from obsessive hoarders who download and seed content beyond their personal interests. There is no economical solution to back up that much data on t…

If you're not spending at least as much money (+ labor opportunity-cost) on your own data-storage solution as it costs to back the data up to the cloud, your data isn't safe.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by gubbrora »

dwild wrote: post #290
neuronic wrote: post #210

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This is what Merkel meant with "Neuland"(engl. uncharted territory) in 2013. In Germany she is heavily mocked for not understanding the Internet. Of course, it's the bright populace of high class forums such as Facebook and r/de who know better than the Physicist Chancellor of a G7 nation... In reality, she meant it is legal Neuland. That authorities and courts had little established ways of enforcing laws online, th…

Thing is, it's the fact that is a legal "Neuland" that it's a great place. What if you use your phone line to organize a crime? Is that a problem? Should we add word recognition to phone line to make sure this doesn't happen? Should we limit it to a series of specific words? This would break phone usage. The same apply to internet, except that it can do even more. The only ways to make sure theses criminal activities…

> What if you use your phone line to organize a crime? Is that a problem? Should we add word recognition to phone line to make sure this doesn't happen? Should we limit it to a series of specific words?

Somewhere out there someone read this and thought "wow that's a great idea"

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by lucb1e »

terryschiavo22 wrote: post #260
xorand wrote: post #215

This was demanded by Elsevier and Springer, as the copy of the order shows https://torrentfreak.com/images/scihuborder.pdf . Every researcher who still is an editor of one of their journals is responsible for this. Any academic manager who supports these journals, either by buying them or by counting impact factor points, is responsible of this. People should know that all of these people who support this are paid fr…

Any chance of getting a SFW version of that link? I can't click on a torrentfreak.com link, even if it probably is benign.

I don't click on links such as reddit/r/funny or something, but torrentfreak I consider on topic enough as an IT security consultant that I click it and will defend its legitimacy if ever questioned. The site reports on internet freedoms in an uncensored and to the point manner that I like a lot.

If you have a fascist firewall, consider using Tor with the FascistFirewall=1 setting (https://2019.www.torproject.org/docs/tor-manual.html.en#Fasc...).

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by int_19h »

Karunamon wrote: post #348
int_19h wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think OP's point is that breaking any law undermines the principle of rule of law in general.

And I think that is an absurd conclusion. Nobody seriously thinks violating the speed limit or ripping your own DVDs is on the same level as murder or fraud, yet the former two are routinely violated to society’s benefit , with no impact on murder prosecution.

I do not subscribe to it myself, but "dura lex sed lex" is literally millennia old, so it's hardly an obscure notion.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by narag »

AsyncAwait wrote: post #352
narag wrote: post #349

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I'm not sure what you mean with "socially left-wing". Is that something that doesn't cost money? And IMO there are no (neo)liberals in Spain, if you listen to facts instead of words. Every party currently in Parliament is big-state. PP raised taxes over Zapatero levels and public expenses even more, systematically breaking expense limits every single year they were in government.

> I'm not sure what you mean with "socially left-wing". They're pro choice, pro LGBTQ etc. but also very much pro things like privatization. As for "Is that something that doesn't cost money?" - that's a childish question that is almost not worth answering. Maintaining a functioning society always costs money, there's infrastructure & services to maintain. Taxes are going to get collected, so for me the only real que…

...that's a childish question that is almost not worth answering

Wow, thank you. That actually saves me time. Once somebody answers like that, it's clear that any effort to reason would be a waste.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by Causality1 »

simias wrote: post #224
jimktrains2 wrote: post #197

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> The question is whether we should let people distribute his manifesto for the sake of freedom of expression or if we consider it to be dangerous and worthy of a ban. Speaking as a us citizen, that is crazy talk. Why should the government be let to decide what is "too dangerous" for me to read? It seems incredible that first world democracies still engage in that kind of censorship.

What you describe is the USA way, but it's not how it's done in many (most?) places around the world. There are plenty of things you could say in the USA that would be illegal hate speech in most of Europe. Conversely showing a female nipple is taboo in the Land of the Free, while it's mostly not a big deal in western Europe. This is actually the source of many problems with the governance of the web since most high-…

I would rather live in a country where fifty people are shot by a madman every year than one in which 3,395 people are arrested every year for "offensive" online comments, which was the UK in 2018. If these restrictions were being imposed by an outside power we would gladly spend fifty lives a day in a war to prevent it. Principles are more important than comfort. Praise Talos.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by Karunamon »

int_19h wrote: post #366
Karunamon wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I think that is an absurd conclusion. Nobody seriously thinks violating the speed limit or ripping your own DVDs is on the same level as murder or fraud, yet the former two are routinely violated to society’s benefit , with no impact on murder prosecution.

I do not subscribe to it myself, but "dura lex sed lex" is literally millennia old, so it's hardly an obscure notion.

It may have had more value in more savage times millenia ago before the proliferation of very many victimless crimes.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by dzhiurgis »

Dirlewanger wrote: post #270
dzhiurgis wrote: post #169

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Soulseek is still pretty solid A lot of it was about album collecting which frankly is not working the same anymore Personally I am sad iOS poorly supports listening mixes plus Soundcloud slowly destroying itself...

Soulseek is great, but you're essentially taking a gamble hoping that you aren't downloading some shitty transcode.

fs trigger to check actual bitrate could help
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