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Re: Ask HN: Amazon delisted me – what do I do?

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As a customer, not a seller, I'm now activelly avoiding Amazon as much as I can. Even if it is inconvenient. Especially since I read this article about commingling (you need to register (free) to read): https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2019/03/20/1553085361000/Amazon-... They are now dangerously close to be a monopoly AND a monopsony in way too many markets. They just don't need to care anymore and it shows.

He clearly doesn't understand what he's writing about - his example is Apple Earpods, where Amazon is the only seller due to an exclusive contract between Amazon and Apple, and there's no commingling at all going on.

Re: Ask HN: Amazon delisted me – what do I do?

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First: DO NOT email jeff@amazon.com, DO NOT Do media or any of crazy stuff like that.

I have to be honest with you OP. This is a case of you not understanding how the platform works, while Amazon is unclear in their policies. If you give them what they need, they will collaborate with you most of the time.

Here's what I believe happened based on what you provided.

Your product listing, you must have created using manufacturer's barcode. You can check your seller central Settings -> Fulfillment By Amazon http://prntscr.com/n6j53l

If you had this at manufacturer barcode, or created the listing with manufacturer barcode. Then your products are commingled with the other sellers.

From what I saw in the image, it looks like the other seller Adorama sent in a product that looked used to the buyer. Then buyer complained. Now you are on the hook since the products are commingled.

If this is indeed the case you will need to write a Plan of action that addresses what Amazon is asking.

Point them to your manufacturer's website (https://www.getfractals.com)

Root cause - inventory commmingling

Action Taken - removed all inventory to verify no issues

Prevention - no more commingling

Sourcing: I source directly from manufacturer, I am the brand owner and manufacturer. point to the your website, and LINK the verifiable information back to you (same address, same storefront name, same personal nam etc), this is to prove you are sourcing from legitimate source.

Listing: You have double checked listing to make sure product matches

Packaging & Shipping: address this if necessary

Buyer communication: I've reached out to buyer, and found out this product is from a commingled seller.

Also you will need to draft a invoice to yourself (your manufacturer identity to your own seller identity) in order to give the document amazon needs to pass this.

If you draft the correct POA plan, Amazon will accept it. Also make sure you never use commingling if you create your own products!

Re: Ask HN: Amazon delisted me – what do I do?

#73

First: DO NOT email jeff@amazon.com, DO NOT Do media or any of crazy stuff like that. I have to be honest with you OP. This is a case of you not understanding how the platform works, while Amazon is unclear in their policies. If you give them what they need, they will collaborate with you most of the time. Here's what I believe happened based on what you provided. Your product listing, you must have created using man…

Strongly disagree.

First of all, Adorama is selling merchant fulfilled, not FBA. So commingling is irrelevant here.

Second, it's unlikely the Adorama order is what caused the issue, being as it wasn't even FBA. My guess is it's a different order that caused the issue, they haven't identified it properly, and that's why they're getting rejected.

Re: Ask HN: Amazon delisted me – what do I do?

#74

Tweet at the company and the CEO of such company with details. That is what the media is watching. This will get their attention. Worked for a couple of people I know personally.

This can be a powerful tool, but in this specific instance it's probably more likely to get his account locked down for good.

Re: Ask HN: Amazon delisted me – what do I do?

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very hard to successfully do this, basically have to commit to going full stealth with a different company, owners, emails, bank accounts, IPs ect.

9 times out of 10, they seem to don't mind. I know no Amazon vendor in China that doesn't deal with random closures by just reopening the account, and often with the same credentials.

That's a really bad advice for US residents. Maybe their flagging ML system doesn't work well on random Chinese addresses, but with US history they pretty much either prevent a creation of a new account in any way associated with an old banned account, immediately flag it for a review requiring extensive internal company documentation/proofs or remove it in regular (quarterly?) sweeps when they kick bunches of sellers from their platform.

"Funny" thing is their anomaly detection algorithms are really bad and they tend to keep counterfeit sellers while kicking out genuine ones more often with no way to appeal in a reasonable fashion, i.e. paying some external company with individual ties to Amazon managers to reinstate sellers... Complete mafia around selling on that badly designed platform.

Re: Ask HN: Amazon delisted me – what do I do?

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Ask this in the Amazon sellercentral forums, not here. Yes there are pro Amazon sellers here but most people here don't really know anything about how the Amazon reinstatement system works at all - as others pointed out it's unfortunately somewhat byzantine in nature.

BTW - same deal with IG, there's a process to reinstatement. Now to think about it - there's actually a skill involved with talking to BigCos, understanding how support teams are structured (and who has power/discretion), and getting resolutions in your favor. A lot of these issues come from overarching policies followed up by corner cases, so you need to present yours well basically.

Re: Ask HN: Amazon delisted me – what do I do?

#77
post #63

You need professional help. It's unfortunate, but there's a very specific format you need to be responding in that's not intuitive unless you've written a bunch of these. Check out any of the following (I've met both of them and can recommend them): Ed Rosenberg, ASGTG Chris McCabe, ecommerceChris You'll pay somewhere in the $1-2k range for a listing reinstatement, they'll write a professional letter to Amazon in the…

In addition to those consultants, Cynthia Stine of egrowthpartners.com was recently interviewed in The Week's Jan 25, 2019 "The Last Word" column and her firm helps Amazon Sellers with Marketplace challenges.

Also, Amazon's Selling Partner Summit is taking place next week at Amazon HQ. It is currently sold out but maybe there is a waiting list ? I'll be attending primarily to make internal contacts should I ever encounter a problem with my account but I can't say for certain if that conference will be helpful in that regard. Sorry for this situation and good luck!

Re: Ask HN: Amazon delisted me – what do I do?

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There's going to be a massive rise in this sort of stuff over the next few years. Firstly consolidation, then organisations too large to care about their clients, then semi-automated punishment. Always remember that Amazon is in the same business as everyone and they can burn you down in a second if they decide they don't care. It's a pond full of bureaucratic crocodiles and the biggest one is boss. On numerous occas…

> On numerous occasions companies have shipped me "fuck you" instead of what I paid for and Amazon won't deal with that.

What? I've never once had a problem with an Amazon return. You click "return this item", choose the return method (their newer "Locker" thing around the corner is pretty convenient) and that's all that needs to happen.

I mean... there's lots to complain about with Amazon, as there is for any big company. But customer service just isn't one of them as I see it.

What has your experience been that you think Amazon "doesn't deal with" returns?

Re: Ask HN: Amazon delisted me – what do I do?

#79

The only way to protect against commercial deplatforming is to promote and sell through your own website, with a choice of payment processors. It's hard work but there's really nothing else to say. Every other presence should be considered as a disposable inbound funnel. Instagram or Twitter deleted you? Start a new account and link back to your website again.

Whenever I read this advice, I can't help but feel it's futile. Do you realize how hard it is to gain people's attention without being on one of the major platforms? How do you get people to come to your website, to trust your service and give you their credit card details? How do you accept payments? You have to use something like PayPal or Stripe, also platforms which can ban you for any (or no) reason. The economi…

You might have to use the big platforms to gain traction initially but as soon as you get a decent following and a customer base you should start hedging your risks. Any of these companies can pull the rug from underneath you. Especially critical if the business is your livelihood and not just a side project.

Re: Ask HN: Amazon delisted me – what do I do?

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post #78
post #13

There's going to be a massive rise in this sort of stuff over the next few years. Firstly consolidation, then organisations too large to care about their clients, then semi-automated punishment. Always remember that Amazon is in the same business as everyone and they can burn you down in a second if they decide they don't care. It's a pond full of bureaucratic crocodiles and the biggest one is boss. On numerous occas…

> On numerous occasions companies have shipped me "fuck you" instead of what I paid for and Amazon won't deal with that. What? I've never once had a problem with an Amazon return. You click "return this item", choose the return method (their newer "Locker" thing around the corner is pretty convenient) and that's all that needs to happen. I mean... there's lots to complain about with Amazon, as there is for any big co…

their automated systems are fine, but their actual service is terrible. anytime you need to do something outside of their "system", it is a complete mess and most of the time a complete dead end.

as an example, in the past year, i have had to return/replace greater than 50% of the books i received from them since the books have ranged from being damaged, torn, or just plain dirty. it may be less than 50%, but there have definitely been windows of time where it's greater than that. this is a MASSIVE inconvenience because although all i have to do to initiate the return is click a button, i also have to handle repacking the books and then physical driving or walking them to a dropoff point, all of which takes an hour round trip. i have contacted amazon multiple times, and i am not even able to get the point across. they see that i returned or exchanged the book, so the problem is solved from their end. when i explain that this wastes so much of my time and effectively negates the amazon prime benefit of one or two day shipping (since once the book ships, arrives, i see it's damaged, initiate return process, wait on new shipping which defaults to two days even for books that shipped in one day in the first place takes about a week), they offer a $5 amazon gift card. there was no escalation process whatsoever or even concern.

just this week, i have had to return two books back to them because both books basically arrived used, with dirty and damaged covers and stained pages. the box is in my car ready to be dropped of at ups. it's to the point that i am beginning to have no reason to shop on amazon for books anymore, and i am even considering canceling prime. i have noticed a marked dropped in quality of the books and packing, and i am also just tired of their terrible website. they were the originator of the online book sales, yet their website remains absolutely horrid for books, especially when it comes to multiple editions, releases, paperback vs hardback, etc.

earlier this week, i came across a product listing that had reviews that were clearly for another product. there is no button to report such instances of reviews. try contacting amazon and see if anything even remotely helpful is done. and that's a case of you trying to help them.

amazon, apple, and google are perfect examples of what you get at "scale": companies that treat customers as replaceable resources that should have interactions minimized. the less these companies have to deal with customers and users, the better, from their perspective.

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