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Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by atemerev »

hevi_jos wrote: post #172
atemerev wrote: post #67

Western countries are becoming increasingly like China and Russia. UK, Australia, Germany, Canada, France, Germany, New Zealand... So far, only the US still holds some resemblance to “protecting the freedom of speech” — sure, copyright violators are pursued, but at least nobody is trying to censor the Internet... yet.

For your information, the one country that is pushing forward for more restrictions on Internet on the world is called "The United States of America". All the copyright laws in Germany, France, Canada, New Zealand, UK and Australia, come after the US demands the change in law or else they will apply economic sanctions in commerce. You probably live in the US and are under the influence of propaganda(like pronouncing…

I am Russian living in Switzerland.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by AsyncAwait »

hevi_jos wrote: post #168
class4behavior wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>(...) but more effective measures will follow if we don't change the political willingness to withhold knowledge from the masses. The EU just passed the directive for the new copyright package which further cements the status quo (the two often mentioned articles are just the worst of it), so don't expect any progress if people don't start to elect more progressive politicians. The projections for the EU election sh…

It is clear reading your comment that you do this transformation in your head automatically: Progressive = Left = Good Right = Bad I don't believe that the access to what public funding pays (public research) is intrinsically linked to the left, quite the opposite. In the past for example while the US published a lot of information in public journals, Soviet Russia was very secretive about theirs(while benefiting fro…

> The left wants to create a monster State. Once in place individuals have no power at all. Everything is controlled top down and as there is only one entity, there is no competition

You started by criticizing a simplistic analysis of Left == good, Right == bad, but you just flipped Right == good, Left == bad and offered such a juvenile, simplistic analysis, it's honestly laughable.

When it comes to the left, you'd have to distinguish between neoliberals, (socially left, economically centre-right), which is who's been in power in Europe when it comes to the left. You fail to realize that there is a thing called "left-wing libertarianism", in fact libertarianism originated with the left and most people, apart from Americans, understood libertarianism to be left-wing.

There's no "monster State" advocated there. It's more about ensuring equality of opportunity, (not outcome(!)), promoting cooperatives etc. In reality, these would be beneficial for competition, because it promotes more people being able to take the risk of having a business, since there's a social safety net.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by jimktrains2 »

codedokode wrote: post #185
mateo1 wrote: post #117

Those 2 libraries are the closest thing to the modern internet equivalent of the "Library of Alexandria". I hope they don't manage to burn in down. Yes, for now governments only caught up to DNS level blocking, but more effective measures will follow if we don't change the political willingness to withhold knowledge from the masses.

What if we look at the sitiuation from publishers' point of view? Yesterday those weird scientints gave to you the rights to their works, and the next day they demand that you allow them to read their works for free.

> Yesterday those weird scientints gave to you the rights to their works.

Yesterday there weren't any, let alone good, alternatives. Even today with good alternatives, the way publishing in "high impact" journals is tied to pay can make the issue not really have other options.

Free access to knowledge is fairly foundational to science and something that's has been talked about for a while. This isn't a new problem. It comes as a surprise to no one.

This is doubly true given the amount of government money spent on this research that is then being kept from the public.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by yipbub »

dTal wrote: post #188
vanderZwan wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Those 2 libraries are the closest thing to the modern internet equivalent of the "Library of Alexandria". I hope they don't manage to burn in down. This just reminds of how in the late nineties and early 2000s we used to have torrent sites for music enthusiasts with an archive of all the different versions, editions, bootlegs, all painstakingly added and catalogued, representing tens if not hundreds of man-hours wo…

More like hundreds of man-years, when you factor in all the editions, bootlegs etc that are now forever lost to time. This should be a golden age for information preservation. Instead it's a dark age. I personally know several eye-wateringly good bands whose catalogs are not available anywhere, at all.

Could you give me an example?

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by codedokode »

larkeith wrote: post #92
naraic0o wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Enforcement of copyright seems more like the opposite of China, to be honest. I don’t believe the US allows freedom of intellectual property either, the US government have been shutting down torrent sites for years.

On the other hand, large corporations (i.e. Elsevier) profiting from others' creation of intellectual property seems very inline with China's model in certain sectors... Though I would agree that the comparison is weak. While I'm always against censorship in all its forms, relating it to China seems... stretched.

In the West, the surveillance is usually done by the private corporations instead of the government. Like Google, Facebook etc. For the end user there is no big difference.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by bspammer »

Krasnol wrote: post #113
inapis wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At that point it would be better to roll your own and use ports 22 or 443.

I guess this is the point where you leave the general public behind. Lucky you. Which fits fantastically in the discussion over at the San Diego Streetlight surveillance and the "Software engineers social responsibility"[1] vs. the fact that it will get worse if you make it mainstream. Interesting times. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19545668

Hopefully projects like Streisand [1] continue to be worked on - they automate a lot of the hassle of setting up services like this. Ideally they will eventually be easy enough for your grandpa to use.

[1] https://github.com/StreisandEffect/streisand

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by jimktrains2 »

simias wrote: post #118
ShorsHammer wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which if you read that "specific piece of text data" is the outcome the murderer wanted. They responded exactly how he desired.

Who cares about what that guy wanted or didn't want. The question is whether we should let people distribute his manifesto for the sake of freedom of expression or if we consider it to be dangerous and worthy of a ban. The opinion of the guy who committed this heinous crime is frankly irrelevant IMO. If I was to commit some atrocities tomorrow and write a pamphlet outlining my motive and calling for others to do the…

> The question is whether we should let people distribute his manifesto for the sake of freedom of expression or if we consider it to be dangerous and worthy of a ban.

Speaking as a us citizen, that is crazy talk. Why should the government be let to decide what is "too dangerous" for me to read? It seems incredible that first world democracies still engage in that kind of censorship.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by codedokode »

jimktrains2 wrote: post #193
codedokode wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if we look at the sitiuation from publishers' point of view? Yesterday those weird scientints gave to you the rights to their works, and the next day they demand that you allow them to read their works for free.

> Yesterday those weird scientints gave to you the rights to their works. Yesterday there weren't any, let alone good, alternatives. Even today with good alternatives, the way publishing in "high impact" journals is tied to pay can make the issue not really have other options. Free access to knowledge is fairly foundational to science and something that's has been talked about for a while. This isn't a new problem. I…

But today, even with alternatives present, scientists still give away or sell their rights to the journals.

The scientists are often paid be the government. So it is the government that creates this situation and makes "high impact" journals what they are. It is the government that doesn't mandate free access to the knowledge.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by atemerev »

codedokode wrote: post #189
atemerev wrote: post #67

Western countries are becoming increasingly like China and Russia. UK, Australia, Germany, Canada, France, Germany, New Zealand... So far, only the US still holds some resemblance to “protecting the freedom of speech” — sure, copyright violators are pursued, but at least nobody is trying to censor the Internet... yet.

US doesn't need to block sites because many major IT companies are under their jurisdiction and they (their courts) can just order to remove the content or stop serving the domain name. For example, they seize casino's domain names and order the banks not to allow payment to them. What's wrong with online casinos? Should't people have the right to decide how to spend their money?

I am not saying that the US are perfect in every regard. I only admire their anti-censorship stance, which is increasingly rare. There are still many problems, e.g. with arbitrariness of law application, and the popularity of surveillance state.

However, there is subtle, but important (at least to me) distinction between “this site violates the law — let’s pursuit its owners legally” and “this site violates the law — let’s block it for everyone and censor communications to implement that”.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by jimktrains2 »

JPLeRouzic wrote: post #129
drewmol wrote: post #10

>The court order targets a total of 57 domain names, including various mirror sites. The academic publishers had asked the court for a more flexible blocklist, which they could update whenever new domains would become available, but this was denied. If the publishers want to expand the blocklist, they will have to go back to court. This ensures that there remains judicial oversight over local website blockades. Also,…

DNS is hard coded on my Orange Livebox. This is new. And changing the DNS under my Ubuntu box was far from trivial. It is only possible to change the secondary DNS in the connection UI. I had to use a reduced version of DHCP (IP address only) and change /etc/resolv.conf.

Be careful with resolv.conf. network manager and others like to overwrite it.
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