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Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by Nux »

ignoramous wrote: post #252

There goes me and my co-founder's plan of disrupting the Mobile VPN market. Or may be, we still have a chance? Anywho, congratulations Cloudflare! I long held an opinion that the VPN market was ripe for disruption when I looked at privacy policy of some of the top players. Having analysed the market, I find that its defragmented with no clear run-away winner. I hope you're able to make a headway with all the interest…

> Having analysed the market, I find that its defragmented with no clear run-away winner.

THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD BE!

That's how all of this should be.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by jedberg »

eximius wrote: post #295
kentonv wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So basically Cloudflare created an app with Cloudflare branding and set up a Wireguard server for everyone. Not just one -- servers in 175 (and growing) locations spread around the world, and the app will always use the closest one to you. That's arguably a lot more important that what protocol it uses, and is not something you could easily DIY.

I mean, for DIY you only need one because you're only one user . Pick a VPS host with a data center near you... done.

It's only near you when you're at home though. This works around the world.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by [deleted] »

tw04 wrote: post #210
eastdakota wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's what I posted to our blog when this question came up: https://blog.cloudflare.com/boringtun-userspace-wireguard-ru... We communicated with Jason throughout the process and have a ton of respect for him and the entire WireGuard community. In the short term, we need the flexibility to quickly update BoringTun's code base to support the project we built it for. That's harder when you need to coordinate with peopl…

I guess that doesn't make sense to me. If Jason offered you your own sub-project to run with, why can't you "move fast"? >I thought the invitation to put their engineers as the head of a WireGuard subproject was a cool invitation, but alas. https://lists.zx2c4.com/pipermail/wireguard/2019-March/00404... I mean no offense, but the response comes off as corporate approved PR. "We need to move fast" when you haven't act…

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Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by ignoramous »

Nux wrote: post #301
ignoramous wrote: post #252

There goes me and my co-founder's plan of disrupting the Mobile VPN market. Or may be, we still have a chance? Anywho, congratulations Cloudflare! I long held an opinion that the VPN market was ripe for disruption when I looked at privacy policy of some of the top players. Having analysed the market, I find that its defragmented with no clear run-away winner. I hope you're able to make a headway with all the interest…

> Having analysed the market, I find that its defragmented with no clear run-away winner. THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD BE! That's how all of this should be.

Yep, agree. Though, I thought it was an important factor for us when we are bootstrapping to consider if we are heading straight into a monopoly that we can't defeat.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by 3xblah »

"Let's acknowledge that many corners of the consumer VPN industry are really awful so it's a reasonable question whether we have some ulterior motive. That many VPN companies pretend to keep your data private and then sell it to help target you with advertising is, in a word, disgusting. That is not Cloudflare's business model and it never will be."

Therefore Warp will be open-source and its distribution will be free from the control of commercial third parties via "app stores".

Those who do not wish to use an "app store" may compile Warp themselves or download binaries from their preferred repository for sideloading, e.g., F-Droid.

April Fools

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by cogman10 »

catern wrote: post #284

>TCP, the foundational protocol of the Internet, was never designed for a mobile environment. Amusingly, this is actually not true. TCP was originally developed to run on an inter-network over two networks: the ARPANET which has the reliability characteristics of a "traditional" network, and an extremely mobile network with lots of packet loss: ship-to-ship packet radio. TCP today seems very poorly suited for the mob…

In fact, I'd argue that it is a good fit even today. What wasn't designed for mobile is the Http protocol. HTTP2 solves most of the problems with mobile without changing out TCP. QUIC provides a few benefits, but by and large not many.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by y4mi »

sercand wrote: post #285
Shank wrote: post #149

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I consider myself fairly competent, and I couldn’t understand the wireguard documentation enough to setup my own install without resorting to algo [0]. There’s real value in wrapping a system like WireGuard into a product, because it democratizes technology rather than making it available only to those knowledgable enough to understand how to set it up. I think Warp is great in that regard. [0]: https://github.com/tr…

I am still trying to figure it out how to setup a Wireguard server on Kubernetes/GKE to personal use. Outline and OpenVPN clients have some problems that's why I want to try Wireguard.

Is that even possible? I thought Wireguard was essentially a kernel module... Which is basically the only thing you can't dockerize, as the kernel is shared between all containers?

Could be mistaken though .. not sure

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by ignoramous »

eastdakota wrote: post #292
ignoramous wrote: post #252

There goes me and my co-founder's plan of disrupting the Mobile VPN market. Or may be, we still have a chance? Anywho, congratulations Cloudflare! I long held an opinion that the VPN market was ripe for disruption when I looked at privacy policy of some of the top players. Having analysed the market, I find that its defragmented with no clear run-away winner. I hope you're able to make a headway with all the interest…

Email me: matthewatcloudflaredotcom. Perhaps you and your cofounder can help build your vision within Cloudflare? I'd love to chat.

> I'd love to chat.

Wow. Sure, thanks.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by broknbottle »

jedberg wrote: post #302
eximius wrote: post #295

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I mean, for DIY you only need one because you're only one user . Pick a VPS host with a data center near you... done.

It's only near you when you're at home though. This works around the world.

wouldn't be that difficult to write a script that checks geoip and launches a VPS in the region closest to your current devices public address. You could even create an iOS shortcut to allow you to do it from your iPhone

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by floatingatoll »

tw04 wrote: post #282
floatingatoll wrote: post #272

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While the fissure you describe as a guaranteed outcome is certainly likely in many such scenarios, you're missing the point: Implementing a standard without regard for the beliefs of other implementors is an action that supports a standard. Refusing to work with others does not implicitly harm a standard. You assert that refusing to cooperate with another implementor is guaranteed to harm a standard. It is not guaran…

>DJB has not destroyed DNS. DJB didn't fork Bind and then refuse to work with them. >BoringSSL has not destroyed TLS BoringSSL didn't fork OpenSSL and then refuse to work with them. About the closest modern comparison would be OpenOffice vs. LibreOffice - which created a complete mess like I mentioned before. Except even THAT is a bad comparison because LibreOffice only forked when they were FORCED to fork.

I was unable to parse this reply in the context of "do forks harm standards?" as we're discussing in this thread. What standard came to harm as a result of LibreOffice forking from OpenOffice?
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