Think about it: who is behind cloudflare?
NSA ? lol
Warp – Mobile VPN
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#272Earlier quoted context omitted.
Forking an upstream project to implement decisions without upstream’s consent is a tried and true open source software process, implemented by thousands of projects over the years. Claiming that they don’t support standards, solely because they don’t support another implementation of those standards, is incorrect and inflammatory.
> Forking an upstream project to implement decisions without upstream’s consent is a tried and true open source software process, implemented by thousands of projects over the years. Claiming that they don’t support standards, solely because they don’t support another implementation of those standards, is incorrect and inflammatory. If upstream is doing something you don't like and refusing to work with you, sure. Wh…
While the fissure you describe as a guaranteed outcome is certainly likely in many such scenarios, you're missing the point:
Implementing a standard without regard for the beliefs of other implementors is an action that supports a standard. Refusing to work with others does not implicitly harm a standard.
You assert that refusing to cooperate with another implementor is guaranteed to harm a standard. It is not guaranteed at all.
DJB has not destroyed DNS. BoringSSL has not destroyed TLS. A thousand reimplementations of standards in Rust have not destroyed a thousand standards.
You clearly believe that Cloudflare is acting in bad faith, and are constructing a worldview out of assumptions that you declare instead are facts. While I respect your right to hold those views, I do not respect your declaration of future outcomes as fact.
Re: Warp – Mobile VPN
#273There goes me and my co-founder's plan of disrupting the Mobile VPN market. Or may be, we still have a chance? Anywho, congratulations Cloudflare! I long held an opinion that the VPN market was ripe for disruption when I looked at privacy policy of some of the top players. Having analysed the market, I find that its defragmented with no clear run-away winner. I hope you're able to make a headway with all the interest…
I don't think what we're offering instantly takes over the entire VPN market. VPNs mean different things to different people and I'd imagine you can find a valuable market that provides things that we don't.
Re: Warp – Mobile VPN
#274Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is why Cloudflare wants you to use their VPN rather than an anonymized one. If they can track you, they can have more data about whether to block you.
Nope. We want you to use our VPN because we think it'll make your mobile Internet experience better (faster and more secure). That turns into an upsell opportunity to us and makes our core service (which people pay us for) more valuable.
Damn. Cloudflare's super nice customer-centric stance on this product is killing me. I quit my FAANG job just this past month to build something similar.
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#275Earlier quoted context omitted.
> not a big difference I am getting more than 300ms difference to google.com https://pastebin.com/raw/QnbWXU1a
Ouch. Do you know which PoP (point of presence) you're hitting? To find out, Look at the last three letters in the CF-Ray header on any response from a Cloudflare site, e.g. curl -v cloudflare.com 2>&1 | grep -i CF-Ray The letters should correspond to an airport code nearby the CF server you landed on. Let me know what it says.
CF-RAY: 4c0c98839feb5ff3-MRS
I posted the issue (bad route) on the community forum a few months ago.
https://community.cloudflare.com/t/high-ping-sri-lanka/15276...
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#276I further correct my post: what or who will be behind cf?
It's naive at it's best.
"Freedom of surveilance for free"
And you just slurp it.
Think.
Again.
Think.
Re: Warp – Mobile VPN
#277There goes me and my co-founder's plan of disrupting the Mobile VPN market. Or may be, we still have a chance? Anywho, congratulations Cloudflare! I long held an opinion that the VPN market was ripe for disruption when I looked at privacy policy of some of the top players. Having analysed the market, I find that its defragmented with no clear run-away winner. I hope you're able to make a headway with all the interest…
Please still build this product!
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#278My work still cant reach 1.1.1.1, but can reach 1.0.0.1, seems 1.1.1.1 was used by our ISP TWTelecom for a stub network. We opened a ticket with TW, and they just keep kicking the ticket as wont fix. But 1.0.0.1 seems to work fine.
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#279If they're going for the no-logs gimmick I'll probably just preemptively block their ASNs and save myself a lot of trouble.
Did the same with Nord and a dozen other vpn-of-the-week services. no-logs means no-accountability which means malicious traffic which means you don't get to talk to our stuff.
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#280> That many VPN companies pretend to keep your data private and then sell it to help target you with advertising is, in a word, disgusting. That is not Cloudflare’s business model and it never will be. When I read something like that I feel protected and cared about. Now, can someone explain me why this should be in any form different from the WhatsApp case?
Let's not forget how Cloudflare got started... The Department of Homeland Security offered to buy the data from Project Honeypot (run by Matthew Prince and Lee Holloway), and they sold it to them for $20,000. Michele Zatlyn (a classmate of Prince) said "if they'll pay for it, other people will pay for it." "And so the idea for Cloudflare was born, with Ms Zatlyn as its third co-founder." [with Prince and Holloway] So…
And let's not forget who Cloudflare's customers are today: companies that pay us to make their web servers and API servers faster, more reliable and more secure.