At least everyone should agree that using VPNs is mostly an awful experience on all devices, but many times more on mobile phones. I tried out 3-4 clients (Android) with different services/protocols and couldn't keep using it because of the resource usage, it literally halved the battery time and made the (new flagship) phone hot all the time. There has to be a better way.
Warp – Mobile VPN
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#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Forking an upstream project to implement decisions without upstream’s consent is a tried and true open source software process, implemented by thousands of projects over the years. Claiming that they don’t support standards, solely because they don’t support another implementation of those standards, is incorrect and inflammatory. If upstream is doing something you don't like and refusing to work with you, sure. Wh…
Can/has anyone from CloudFlare commented? This refusal to work with WireGuard has left a bitter taste in my mouth from a company that I otherwise like.
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#193An aside from the comment, but I don't appreciate the derisive tone of their first paragraph: > a handful of elite tech companies decide to waste the time of literally billions of people with juvenile jokes that only they find funny. I sort of agree, but it's not nice, and not necessary. It also isn't particularly classy to then go on to say "and we're so much better, because we do useful things". (I do happen to fin…
Absolutely, that part left a bitter taste in my mouth reading the rest of the article. Feels like they released this on April 1st just so they could make this claim, strange move.
Or because (in American calendars), today is 4/1, and the IP address for their DNS server is 1.1.1.1, or four ones.
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#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t think this would fly for a number of reasons, but CloudFlare isn’t exactly a world leader or even a household name. They’re a newcomer in this space and for once they’re actually open with their community (us). If CloudFlare is the villain, then are CenturyLink & Comcast the heroes? By my estimation, we’re more likely to see any kind of doomsday scenario like that executed by cable companies and telcos — whic…
I don't think CloudFlare is a newcomer. They're big in the CDN market.
"big in the CDN market" is very different to "has enough pull to significantly centralize the internet like Google or Amazon".
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#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
I consider myself fairly competent, and I couldn’t understand the wireguard documentation enough to setup my own install without resorting to algo [0]. There’s real value in wrapping a system like WireGuard into a product, because it democratizes technology rather than making it available only to those knowledgable enough to understand how to set it up. I think Warp is great in that regard. [0]: https://github.com/tr…
I was in the same boat, hopefully this will help: https://www.stavros.io/posts/how-to-configure-wireguard/ It's actually very easy to set up, I don't know why the official docs make it seem super hard.
What's the reasoning behind embedding the private keys directly in the config?
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#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
I get where you are coming from but I think there's a significant headwind to us doing something weirdly proprietary. If we were to create some two-tier Internet then our clients (who have web/API servers) would start having part of their audience/consumers get poorer performance or security or something. So we'd be sticking a finger in the eye of the people who pay us.
Hmm, I didn't consider that angle. Maybe I'm just a cynic, a byproduct of the 90s Microsoft monopoly and Linux backlash.
I wish all internet disagreements were this wholesome and respectful <3
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#197jgrahamc can you please stop using google slave labor? You guys are smart enough and capable enough to have your own captcha system.
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#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
Possible but I am not exactly sure what caused the difference. I used fast.com for testing and when I increased the number of parallel connections the performance degradation was lower when using Wireguard. I assumed that it is related to congestion control as Wireguard uses UDP AFAIK and otherwise I would use TCP on the bottleneck part of the connection.
The ISP might be doing it knowing you're connecting to Netflix. But if you do a VPN, they don't know those specific packets are going to Netflix, so they can't shape the packets.
They certainly can shape any traffic you cause to transit their network. What you mean is they can't selectively shape that traffic. But then why would they want to do that?
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#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Forking an upstream project to implement decisions without upstream’s consent is a tried and true open source software process, implemented by thousands of projects over the years. Claiming that they don’t support standards, solely because they don’t support another implementation of those standards, is incorrect and inflammatory. If upstream is doing something you don't like and refusing to work with you, sure. Wh…
Can/has anyone from CloudFlare commented? This refusal to work with WireGuard has left a bitter taste in my mouth from a company that I otherwise like.
Here's what I posted to our blog when this question came up:
https://blog.cloudflare.com/boringtun-userspace-wireguard-ru...
We communicated with Jason throughout the process and have a ton of respect for him and the entire WireGuard community. In the short term, we need the flexibility to quickly update BoringTun's code base to support the project we built it for. That's harder when you need to coordinate with people outside Cloudflare and when we need to move as fast as we plan to. However, we really believe in Open Source and want the WireGuard community to thrive. We licensed the code very openly (3-paragraph BSD) and WireGuard may choose to fork it. If they do, we'll support it and plan to contribute any improvements in our own fork back. Over the long term, I think we're very open to merging this back into the upstream project.
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Can/has anyone from CloudFlare commented? This refusal to work with WireGuard has left a bitter taste in my mouth from a company that I otherwise like.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19500725
Hmm, I have seen that post, do you mean a specific comment? The only relevant one I can see is the license one, which has a reply from Jason.
EDIT: eastdakota filled me in, thanks John.