Warp – Mobile VPN • Hacker News Board

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by zackbloom » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 4:21 PM UTC

fooqux wrote: post #49

> 1. We don't write user-identifiable log data to disk; That's great... but you do log user-identifiable info? How I read that is "we log things that can identify you but just keep it in memory for X amount of time". Myself and other privacy-minded folks would like to know more details there, especially as this is a freemium service.

You can read the full privacy policy here: https://www.cloudflare.com/public-resolver-mobile-privacy/

The short answer is we really don't want to have data. We store bits of it for aggregate analysis and debugging, but the goal is to not be able to map traffic to individual people as quickly as possible.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by Godel_unicode » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 4:21 PM UTC

moreentropy wrote: post #77

While this might improve user experience for some, I don't see the greater value in a VPN solution like this. It's the fast path to replacing the decentralized internet with a few proprietary CDNs. I'm much more excited about those projects that actually try to fix the raised issues: Unencrypted connections -> TLS / Letsencrypt TCP sucks on mobile/roaming devices -> QUIC & HTTP/3

My ISP is rate-limiting specific services -> VPN

Which, incidentally, allows you freer access to the open Internet.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by jerf » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 4:22 PM UTC

admiralpumpkin wrote: post #50

Cloudflare, are there plans for ad blocking? Currently using AdGuard DNS and it works well. Router-level ad-blocking would be an attractive premium option.

You should really want those to be separate services. The incentives get weirdly snarled if you expect your VPN to also block ads.

Making it a plugin that you could plug another app into might be cool, though?

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by whitepoplar » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 4:22 PM UTC

Will it be possible to whitelist network devices and/or SSIDs?

Use case: I want to be able to say, "only use VPN when on WiFi networks (not cellular), and if so, only activate on public WiFi networks (not my home WiFi).

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by gok » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 4:25 PM UTC

martingxx wrote: post #162

jgrahamc wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not right now. The burden of supporting that as open source would be too high.

Why not release anyway (for transparency) but with explicitly no support?

If you don't trust them with a binary, you shouldn't trust them just because they posted source code somewhere. If they don't have the bandwidth to manage this as an open source project this is the right call.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by dang » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 4:26 PM UTC

therealmarv wrote: post #76

mark_l_watson wrote: post #72

I just signed up. cloudflare is on the short list of Internet companies that I trust (with the usual small bit of doubt and skepticism!). With just a few reservations, I also trust G Suite, Firefox, and a few hosting companies I do business with. I have been supporting FSF, ACLU, etc. for years, but the practical considerations that prompted me to be a bit more trusting are Cloud Search in GSuite, Cloudflare offering…

maybe you've forgot Cloudbleed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloudbleed Thanks for downvoting.

Please don't complain about voting on comments. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by eastdakota » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 4:27 PM UTC

tgtweak wrote: post #122

Missed a huge opportunity to sell it for $1 per quarter ($1.$1.$1.$1/yr) People willingly pay $5-10/mo for a VPN that is nowhere near this level.

That's clever. We haven't set the final pricing for Warp+ yet, so it's not too late.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by dmix » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 4:27 PM UTC

jgrahamc wrote: post #103

petre wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about web sites hosted on or proxied by CF with nag screens and captchas blocking my IP? I like and use 1.1.1.1 though.

We don't host web sites. What nag screens are you talking about?

Captchas. Cloudflare made Tor unusable.

This might have changed but in the past it made using Tor for anything beyond onion sites extremely annoying.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by rattray » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 4:27 PM UTC

An aside from the comment, but I don't appreciate the derisive tone of their first paragraph:

> a handful of elite tech companies decide to waste the time of literally billions of people with juvenile jokes that only they find funny.

I sort of agree, but it's not nice, and not necessary. It also isn't particularly classy to then go on to say "and we're so much better, because we do useful things".

(I do happen to find Cloudflare, as a company, so much better, and awesome things like 1.1.1.1 and warp make me really want to push my employer to use Cloudflare for all the things).

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by mwcampbell » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 4:29 PM UTC

jgrahamc wrote: post #168

mwcampbell wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Touché on DNSSEC. That only confused things. But the rest of my comment still stands.

I get where you are coming from but I think there's a significant headwind to us doing something weirdly proprietary. If we were to create some two-tier Internet then our clients (who have web/API servers) would start having part of their audience/consumers get poorer performance or security or something. So we'd be sticking a finger in the eye of the people who pay us.

Hmm, I didn't consider that angle. Maybe I'm just a cynic, a byproduct of the 90s Microsoft monopoly and Linux backlash.