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Re: Laptops to Stay in Bags as TSA Brings New Technology to Airports

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I refuse to pay TSA for "solving" a problem that they created. More customers paying for pre-check incentivizes TSA to make the regular experience comparatively worse .

Such is the nature of a government that is based on violence. I too object vehemently to it but as another commenter pointed out, you will incur costs if you do, and costs if you don’t. Minimize the costs to you and just pay them. You only get one life. In the long run, it will make you more efficient, and hopefully provide you with greater resources to fight them.

... but all government is based on violence ...

Re: Laptops to Stay in Bags as TSA Brings New Technology to Airports

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I think your feeling is pretty rational. It's pretty annoying for no benefit. I wish they also offered flights with lower security. I'm fine getting on a plane if everyone went through a metal detector and kept their shoes on.

> I'm fine getting on a plane if everyone went through a metal detector and kept their shoes on. that's an interesting thought. May be if the price of a ticket could be made cheaper by cutting out these TSA bullshit, the market could correct this problem.

Most frequent flyers would pay more to avoid the TSA

Re: Laptops to Stay in Bags as TSA Brings New Technology to Airports

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No. It would show up on a good old fashioned metal detector that we had in the 80s and 90s though

Hrm, that's interesting. I went through Schipol a few days ago and don't recall having to go through a metal detector. Nude body scanner yes, metal detector no. Maybe I just wasn't looking?

If you went through something looking like a big gate?

Re: Laptops to Stay in Bags as TSA Brings New Technology to Airports

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It's fascinating how the security theatre has gotten so big that now it basically just rolls forward under its own momentum. It's been around long enough that people accept it as normal, it serves no other purpose than to employ the unemployable and fill contractors' coffers, and it seems that no entity is able to stop or dismantle it.

> It's been around long enough that people accept it as normal, it serves no other purpose than to employ the unemployable and fill contractors' coffers It serves the purpose of removing liability for security from airlines, which is the major reason why it was created. It also serves the purpose of getting people used to progressively more intrusive government inspection during routine situations. > and it seems tha…

Don’t forget about express lanes for those willing to consent and pay away their rights.

Re: Laptops to Stay in Bags as TSA Brings New Technology to Airports

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No. It would show up on a good old fashioned metal detector that we had in the 80s and 90s though

Hrm, that's interesting. I went through Schipol a few days ago and don't recall having to go through a metal detector. Nude body scanner yes, metal detector no. Maybe I just wasn't looking?

The scanner replaced the metal detector. Some places have both.

Re: Laptops to Stay in Bags as TSA Brings New Technology to Airports

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My father has stopped flying entirely. He's got a pacemaker and sometimes needs a cane and has a small list of medications that he legitimately needs to have with him at all times. He's diabetic, as well. Though he's not very overweight, he just doesn't move as well as he once did. TSA has made flying for him and people like him so incredibly difficult. He's just opted out. I don't blame him, either, though it does m…

I'd really like to see an analysis of the total number of passenger-minutes that are spent waiting in TSA lines. Divide that by the avg human lifespan and compare it to the number of people killed or injured by a terrorist attack. When looked at like that, TSA costs more total lifetimes than have ever been taken through terrorist attacks.

By multiple orders of magnitude proabably. I'm going to go ahead and call 5000 people who have been killed by aviation terrorism events. Assuming they all live to 90 years old, that's 450,000 man years tragically lost.

The FAA website stats that 630,000,000 people fly per year. If each of them takes 10 minutes to cross the line, that's 105,000,000 man-years lost per year...

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This is a pretty cynical viewpoint but I agree. It’s clear that TSA doesn’t do much. Someone I know has acidentially brought a pocketknife through security multiple times without it being found. They keep it in my backpack as a regular item and just forgot to take it out.

I accidentally went through security with my infant son's boarding pass, separately from my wife and son who went through with my boarding pass, the TSA agent only checked my wife's boarding pass and not my son's. Not to mention how trivial it is to get liquids on a plane without them being searched. Bruce Schneier notably went through security with two of the biggest bottles of saline solution for contact lenses he…

On the Canadian side, they’ve always swabbed my contact lens solution.

Unfortunately, the UK doesn’t have the same simple exemption for contact lens solution bottles, so they seized it while I was transiting.

There’s bit of irony from seizing something that anyone can fly in with.

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I've literally brought a pickaxe by accident. But one time I was trying to bring a fish, and had a next to impossible time trying to get them to agree that water was a "life sustaining liquid" as defined by their exemptions on the 3oz rule wrt to fish.

What exactly are they trying to prevent with the liquid prohibition, anyway?

They are preventing you from bringing drinks from the outside to boost the sales of drinks on the inside.

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https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/liquids... A pretty good summary and a bonus foreshadowing of this article. I have had a pretty good experience with the new scanners. I have global entry/Precheck and one remaining headache with the old scanners was remembering to take my double walked flask out and show the TSA that it was empty by removing the cap. The new scanners can see that it’s empty from i…

I'm still fairly certain that the purpose of the liquid ban is purely to boost sales of toiletries, especially in small "travel size" containers. An entire new line of single use toiletry products was invented to meet this regulation.

And some airports require that your liquids fit in a 1L bag. Which they’ll gladly sell to you.

Re: Laptops to Stay in Bags as TSA Brings New Technology to Airports

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It's fascinating how the security theatre has gotten so big that now it basically just rolls forward under its own momentum. It's been around long enough that people accept it as normal, it serves no other purpose than to employ the unemployable and fill contractors' coffers, and it seems that no entity is able to stop or dismantle it.

This is a pretty cynical viewpoint but I agree. It’s clear that TSA doesn’t do much. Someone I know has acidentially brought a pocketknife through security multiple times without it being found. They keep it in my backpack as a regular item and just forgot to take it out.

A friend went through security twice with a couple of cooking gas canisters forgotten in their backpack. How aren't those the largest red flag of them all?
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