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Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

hyperdunc wrote: post #175
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very narrow view of human psychology. How do you reconcile this opinion with the knowledge that copycat crime¹ occurs. One would imagine that an adult with critical thinking skills ought be able to observe that some people are easily influenced at least some of the time . Elsewise we wouldn't be here having this conversation. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copycat_crime

We could always let governments and tech giants decide what people are allowed to see and read - there's no way that responsibility will be abused. There's no perfect answer to this problem, but censoring information just because it might reach a few unstable people is not the way to go.

Regulation doesn’t necessarily mean complete censorship.

One example that comes to mind is the film and TV rating system.

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Post by fastball »

BucketSort wrote: post #107
system2 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Zuckerberg is just helping the internet to learn and evolve. Without his evil products, we wouldn't understand the psychological harm of the internet. These will clear up in the next 5-10 years.

Every evil person out there, this is your road to salvation. Just say it was a lesson and fully expose every way you've exploited the system and the way others can do the same. Actually, isn't this a common thing? Where people get rich then support laws against doing what they did to get rich?

In particular, you might be thinking of Joseph Kennedy, who made his fortune with insider trading and was later made SEC Chairman by FDR, where he outlawed the methods he used to build his own fortune.

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Post by eplanit »

aestetix wrote: post #40

"Having two identities for yourself is an example of a lack of integrity." -- Mark Zuckerberg[1], defending Facebook's "Real" Name policy. Based on his total disregard for privacy and his clear thirst for power, I want nothing coming from him or his company to ever influence actual policies. [1] http://www.siliconbeat.com/2014/01/30/quoted-mark-zuckerberg...

Yeah, and very clever: a regulation that serves him well, and one that that's appealing to the government, as well. Surely his people/lobbyists are even using the phrase "win-win" when pitching this idea to Congress. They (Congress) will get to say "we regulated FAANG", and Zuck can claim his virtue prize, to boot.

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Post by olefoo »

avs733 wrote: post #178
bitxbit wrote: post #67

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By now it's pretty clear, to me at least, that Zuckerberg simply doesn't get it. He could have fixed the issues for over a decade. And even in 2019, after all the evidence of mismanagement and public distrust, he still refuses to relinquish any control of the company. This is a tone-deaf opinion piece. I'd argue as far back as 2010 that indiscriminately selling user data was a bad idea especially when you are the sol…

I see him as among a group of people who believe that financial success gives them both the credibility and authority to dictate the rules of society. It is a deeply troubling mindset that goes beyond just being 'out of touch'.

Watch out you are treading perilously close to one of the "things you can't say"[1] in the context of this site. Some people block people on twitter for implying just this sort of thing...

1. http://www.paulgraham.com/say.html

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Post by in_hindsight »

quadrangle wrote: post #128
beenBoutIT wrote: post #118

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Zuckerberg is a rational actor that's smart enough to know that he's not going to want any knee-jerk solution put together by idiot politicians. I'm confident that he doesn't want FB being permanently hobbled by laws or acts of Congress.

He's a rational actor who also somehow doesn't actually get it in a broad sense. Consider Kara Swisher's interview with him on Recode Decode… or Doug Rushkoff (Team Human book/podcast etc) wondered publicly if part of the problem was how Zuck dropped out of college. Rushkoff speculated about all these deeper philosophical, economic, political, humanism, etc. courses that might have got Zuck to actually get a more mat…

Zuck may not be the role model when for tech theorists, but Rushkoff is just empty - that’s coming from hearing him talk and answer questions live

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Post by kbos87 »

Mark Zuckerberg, you apparently don’t realize how far you’ve fallen. The best thing you could possibly do right now is to stay quiet and out of the way, not try to interject your opinions into politics or the future of tech. At the very least, it would be in your best interests if you pretended not to have a voice or a stake in where some of these decisions go.

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Post by ohum »

If Mark Zuckerberg had the best interest of other people, like, all of humanity and the world writ large, in mind, I think it would probably be apparent.

Rather, it actually appears as though he is being intentionally deceitful.

Perhaps his rationale is based on some measured or calculated outcome, maybe he actually thinks he's doing some good in the world. Hopefully his intention is positive!

Or, maybe he is beholden to investors.

He seems to be a fool with power, not someone with anything meaningful to say.

Is he a classic case of the old adage: "absolute power corrupts absolutely"?

Platform! Graph! Stream!, and, abuse people for profit!!

Are Facebook/Insta/Wechat/etc. good for the long term prosperity of humanity? I would argue that the answer is a hard "no", and I think there's ample evidence.

If he were a noble person, he'd shut his harmful systems down.

Shame on Mark Zuckerberg. History will not remember him kindly.

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Post by hedora »

ridgeguy wrote: post #141
aestetix wrote: post #40

"Having two identities for yourself is an example of a lack of integrity." -- Mark Zuckerberg[1], defending Facebook's "Real" Name policy. Based on his total disregard for privacy and his clear thirst for power, I want nothing coming from him or his company to ever influence actual policies. [1] http://www.siliconbeat.com/2014/01/30/quoted-mark-zuckerberg...

He's utterly clueless. Having two identities can save your life if you're a battered woman. Or of the wrong political persuasion in some countries. I'm ok not 'liking' Zuckerberg's idea of integrity.

I doubt he’s clueless.

He has been victim-blaming since Facebook was founded. (Remember the comments about how FB’s users were stupid to hand all that data over?)

Why expect him to stop at battered women or political refugees?

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