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Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by reaperducer »

marcrosoft wrote: post #17

The four points being: * harmful content * election integrity * privacy * data portability I think Zuckerberg's intent is to dilute the real issue (privacy) with these other three points. FB has a bad record when it comes to privacy and they are actively taking measures against it. For example, they lobby against privacy laws [1]. They create shadow profiles and they make it difficult or impossible to delete your acc…

harmful content, election integrity, privacy, data portability

Shut down Facebook as a company and three of those four problems are solved.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by danmg »

Barrin92 wrote: post #50
aestetix wrote: post #40

"Having two identities for yourself is an example of a lack of integrity." -- Mark Zuckerberg[1], defending Facebook's "Real" Name policy. Based on his total disregard for privacy and his clear thirst for power, I want nothing coming from him or his company to ever influence actual policies. [1] http://www.siliconbeat.com/2014/01/30/quoted-mark-zuckerberg...

I agree with Mark as far as social networks are concerned. The 'social' part of the name is important, and social relationships cannot function without some sort of stake. Having a unified identity guarantees that people are held accountable for what they say, it reduces fraud, trolling, and it means people have 'skin in the game' when participating in a social environment, it's the basis for trust.

It also raises the stakes for impersonation and identity theft. This can be the difference between life and death in some cases.

Also, maybe some of us don't want to live in a creepy ad-supported pan-option where the links you click become your actual identity.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by [deleted] »

bitxbit wrote: post #67
aestetix wrote: post #40

"Having two identities for yourself is an example of a lack of integrity." -- Mark Zuckerberg[1], defending Facebook's "Real" Name policy. Based on his total disregard for privacy and his clear thirst for power, I want nothing coming from him or his company to ever influence actual policies. [1] http://www.siliconbeat.com/2014/01/30/quoted-mark-zuckerberg...

By now it's pretty clear, to me at least, that Zuckerberg simply doesn't get it. He could have fixed the issues for over a decade. And even in 2019, after all the evidence of mismanagement and public distrust, he still refuses to relinquish any control of the company. This is a tone-deaf opinion piece. I'd argue as far back as 2010 that indiscriminately selling user data was a bad idea especially when you are the sol…

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by Barrin92 »

reaperducer wrote: post #77
Barrin92 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with Mark as far as social networks are concerned. The 'social' part of the name is important, and social relationships cannot function without some sort of stake. Having a unified identity guarantees that people are held accountable for what they say, it reduces fraud, trolling, and it means people have 'skin in the game' when participating in a social environment, it's the basis for trust.

Having a unified identity guarantees that people are held accountable for what they say, it reduces fraud, trolling, and it means people have 'skin in the game' when participating in a social environment, it's the basis for trust. Awesome. So you're going to change your HN username to your real name and put your address and phone number in your "about" section?

No, because I don't treat this website as a social network. I have no friend connections here, don't expose private information, it's a technical discussion board in my opinion.

Facebook on the other hand is a network for the exchange of private or personal information, including for example people forming groups about particularly sensitive topics (abuse experiences, disease and so on), in which personal identity is important to not open yourself up to potential intrusion by people who are not trustworthy. (Cynically enough stalkers for example trying to inject themselves into support groups)

Which is also of course why privacy and identity considerations between HN and Facebook differ.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by randartie »

Barrin92 wrote: post #50
aestetix wrote: post #40

"Having two identities for yourself is an example of a lack of integrity." -- Mark Zuckerberg[1], defending Facebook's "Real" Name policy. Based on his total disregard for privacy and his clear thirst for power, I want nothing coming from him or his company to ever influence actual policies. [1] http://www.siliconbeat.com/2014/01/30/quoted-mark-zuckerberg...

I agree with Mark as far as social networks are concerned. The 'social' part of the name is important, and social relationships cannot function without some sort of stake. Having a unified identity guarantees that people are held accountable for what they say, it reduces fraud, trolling, and it means people have 'skin in the game' when participating in a social environment, it's the basis for trust.

This sure is getting a fair bit of downvotes. I mostly agree with you though. Having a single identity reduces trolling, it's as simple as looking at Facebook vs Twitter. People are less likely to message nasty things to others if their real life reputation is on the line, I take that as fact.

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Post by ISL »

hnthrow0693 wrote: post #21
ams6110 wrote: post #10

Classic regulatory capture play. Create regulations so onerous that only a company with the resources of Facebook can operate under their restrictions. Lock in your dominant position. No small competitor can get a foot in the door.

I don’t think it is. First, lawmakers in several countries around the world were the first to propose these types of regulations, not Facebook. Second, Mark already acknowledged in the senate hearing that such regulations can hurt small businesses, so lawmakers need to be careful. Hard problems require complex solutions. It’s not easy for small companies to get “a foot in the door” in the space or auto industries eit…

Not all hard problems require complex solutions, unless the definition of a hard problem is one which requires a complex solution.

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Post by danmg »

>So we’re creating an independent body so people can appeal our decisions. We’re also working with governments, including French officials, on ensuring the effectiveness of content review systems.

So content posted online should be moderated by the government. Fuck Zuck. He's advocating for the Chinese model for the entire world.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by serf »

"Jam the door shut behind you." strategies employed by even the earliest monopolists and lobbyists in the US.

Or, in other words : "Let's regulate the loopholes that we used for success so as to diminish the opportunity for competition to arise in the same sector."

I don't think I expected anything different. Without choosing sides, I have to say that it all sounds very corporate, and I didn't expect anything else from him.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by return0 »

hesk wrote: post #52

Let's address these one by one. Data portability is kinda useless if all your contacts are on a single network. What we really need are federated social networks. If Facebook loves the GDPR so much why did they move all non-EU users out of its scope when it came into force? A simple fix to get rid of targeted political ads would be to scrap the ad network altogether. Of course, this is anathema to Facebook because th…

> your contacts are on a single network. What we really need are federated social networks.

the first enables the second (and iirc facebook has generaly been quite generous with exporting data)

> why did they move all non-EU users

"duh, because the frameworks were not harmonized"

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