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Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by wbl »

hnthrow0693 wrote: post #21
ams6110 wrote: post #10

Classic regulatory capture play. Create regulations so onerous that only a company with the resources of Facebook can operate under their restrictions. Lock in your dominant position. No small competitor can get a foot in the door.

I don’t think it is. First, lawmakers in several countries around the world were the first to propose these types of regulations, not Facebook. Second, Mark already acknowledged in the senate hearing that such regulations can hurt small businesses, so lawmakers need to be careful. Hard problems require complex solutions. It’s not easy for small companies to get “a foot in the door” in the space or auto industries eit…

Do we solve it for books? No. Very little if the content lawmakers are worried about is content we would censor books for.

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Post by asark »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #39
umvi wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, it's "flak" (shortened form of German word for anti aircraft cannon) not "flack".

Some dictionaries seem to have me believe either is correct. You’re right as far as the origin goes though.

The most correct is the one least likely to cause confusion... or kick off a thread like this :-)

Probably "flak", then.

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Post by tcbawo »

flafla2 wrote: post #23
ams6110 wrote: post #10

Classic regulatory capture play. Create regulations so onerous that only a company with the resources of Facebook can operate under their restrictions. Lock in your dominant position. No small competitor can get a foot in the door.

Can you suggest a better strategy at policing data misuse by social media companies, other than regulating social media explicitly (as this post calls for)? I agree that Mark Zuckerberg/Facebook is unshakably biased and shouldn't be writing the regulations themselves -- but nothing in the linked article seems to me to be written in bad faith. In fact, I see the same talking points (ex: bringing GDPR to the US, adopti…

FINRA is a non-government, industry driven (self-regulatory) organization for the US stock market. It exists to discourage fraud and bad practices without requiring a heavy hand of government. The SEC mostly focuses on lawbreakers. Internet companies would do well to create a similar, open structure before government steps in to over-regulate.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by np_tedious »

croisillon wrote: post #29
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you mean to write 'Facebook gets a lot of flack '? That would seem to make more sense given the rest of the sentence.

i wondered about it too, i imagine it comes from "cut me some slack" = "cut the criticism", hence slack=criticism

In this context, "slack" and "flak"/"flack" are opposites

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Post by megous »

RandomInteger4 wrote: post #32
_rpd wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> data portability Making the friend/family graph portable would allow others to compete with Facebook. What's the state of the discussion on how to do this sensibly?

Technically the data is already portable. It just requires a motivated developer to create a program to parse the files that Facebook let's you download with all your Facebook information. That's not difficult.

No. Last time I checked years ago, the data was incomplete, lacked all kind of context, IDs, names, your comments, was structured idiotically, even as a HTML, etc.

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Post by pacala »

_rpd wrote: post #25
marcrosoft wrote: post #17

The four points being: * harmful content * election integrity * privacy * data portability I think Zuckerberg's intent is to dilute the real issue (privacy) with these other three points. FB has a bad record when it comes to privacy and they are actively taking measures against it. For example, they lobby against privacy laws [1]. They create shadow profiles and they make it difficult or impossible to delete your acc…

> data portability Making the friend/family graph portable would allow others to compete with Facebook. What's the state of the discussion on how to do this sensibly?

I can write a personal data graph crawler in a weekend. I can’t release it because Facebook army of lawyers. Maybe zuckermort should look into the mirror sometime to find the bad faith actors ruining the internet.

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Post by megous »

mindgam3 wrote: post #36

The guy who broke every single rule in his ruthless conquest of the internet is now asking for new rules. You have to admire the sheer audacity of this play. It does make sense though. He can finally see the tide of public opinion turning against him. Facebook's business metrics will be fine for a while but the pace at which they are losing people's trust is increasing. He needed to make a grand statement now while t…

I think, he asks for the rules himself in order to attempt to control what's comming.

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Post by morley »

marcrosoft wrote: post #17

The four points being: * harmful content * election integrity * privacy * data portability I think Zuckerberg's intent is to dilute the real issue (privacy) with these other three points. FB has a bad record when it comes to privacy and they are actively taking measures against it. For example, they lobby against privacy laws [1]. They create shadow profiles and they make it difficult or impossible to delete your acc…

I think HN in particular is too focused on "loss of privacy" as an issue. It seems to me that loss of privacy, while concerning, hasn't caused a fraction of the tangible, measurable problems in the west that misinformation and echo chambers have caused. Loss of privacy hasn't caused anti-immigrant fear-mongering, or conspiracy theorists harassing school shooting victims, or people not vaccinating their children. In areas of the world where loss of privacy _has_ caused citizen harm, it's usually as a result of a despotic regime (thinking specifically of Venezuela).

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Post by Barrin92 »

aestetix wrote: post #40

"Having two identities for yourself is an example of a lack of integrity." -- Mark Zuckerberg[1], defending Facebook's "Real" Name policy. Based on his total disregard for privacy and his clear thirst for power, I want nothing coming from him or his company to ever influence actual policies. [1] http://www.siliconbeat.com/2014/01/30/quoted-mark-zuckerberg...

I agree with Mark as far as social networks are concerned. The 'social' part of the name is important, and social relationships cannot function without some sort of stake.

Having a unified identity guarantees that people are held accountable for what they say, it reduces fraud, trolling, and it means people have 'skin in the game' when participating in a social environment, it's the basis for trust.

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